HM SUBMARINES AND HM DESTROYER

[l11-velasco]

Dear Folks
Any light about these 2 gold wire thread tallies, possible WW2 without full stops???

[l11-velasco]

Reverse pics from these 2 tallies with metal thread letters... Are WW2 period and what should be a good pricing for the set???

[Nozzer]

The H.M. DESTROYER tally was not an official issue item and was available through Naval outfitters. It dates from WW2.

The H.M. SUBMARINES tally is definitely past WW2 and probably dates from the 1960's.

Both tallies are relatively common and a search of the internet will give you a ballpark figure if you wanted to sell.

Andrew

[Frank Kelley]

Out of interest, I was under the impression that HM Submarines was worn in WW2, what is the difference between those and later examples?

Originally Posted by Nozzer

The H.M. DESTROYER tally was not an official issue item and was available through Naval outfitters. It dates from WW2.

The H.M. SUBMARINES tally is definitely past WW2 and probably dates from the 1960's.

Both tallies are relatively common and a search of the internet will give you a ballpark figure if you wanted to sell.

Andrew

[Nozzer]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

Out of interest, I was under the impression that HM Submarines was worn in WW2, what is the difference between those and later examples?

H.M. SUBMARINES. was worn from before the outbreak, during and after the the end of hostilities. You will also find submariners wearing H.M.S. ribbons (tallies) during the war. In the late 1940's you will also find H.M. SUBMARINE ribbons worn and these are always embroidered in yellow silk, not gold wire.

As a rule, if you have a Submarines tally with a full stop, it dates from before, during or after WW2. Gold wire with no full stop (dot) and it will date from the late 1950's up until about 1974, when materials that where used in the manufacture changed. So, here we go again.... the subject of Royal Navy Cap Ribbons is a complex subject, which I have studied for about four (4) decades now. I have made many posts to explain the complexity of the subject of the significance of the "dot" at the end of the the lettering of a tally and the periods concerned.

l11-velasco, you are more than welcome.

[l11-velasco]

Originally Posted by Nozzer

H.M. SUBMARINES. was worn from before the outbreak, during and after the the end of hostilities. You will also find submariners wearing H.M.S. ribbons (tallies) during the war. In the late 1940's you will also find H.M. SUBMARINE ribbons worn and these are always embroidered in yellow silk, not gold wire.

As a rule, if you have a Submarines tally with a full stop, it dates from before, during or after WW2. Gold wire with no full stop (dot) and it will date from the late 1950's up until about 1974, when materials that where used in the manufacture changed. So, here we go again.... the subject of Royal Navy Cap Ribbons is a complex subject, which I have studied for about four (4) decades now. I have made many posts to explain the complexity of the subject of the significance of the "dot" at the end of the the lettering of a tally and the periods concerned.

l11-velasco, you are more than welcome.

Very kind from you Sir

[Frank Kelley]

Thank you very much, so no full stop after the word Submarines and it can only be post war, that is very good to know, many thanks again.

Originally Posted by Nozzer

H.M. SUBMARINES. was worn from before the outbreak, during and after the the end of hostilities. You will also find submariners wearing H.M.S. ribbons (tallies) during the war. In the late 1940's you will also find H.M. SUBMARINE ribbons worn and these are always embroidered in yellow silk, not gold wire.

As a rule, if you have a Submarines tally with a full stop, it dates from before, during or after WW2. Gold wire with no full stop (dot) and it will date from the late 1950's up until about 1974, when materials that where used in the manufacture changed. So, here we go again.... the subject of Royal Navy Cap Ribbons is a complex subject, which I have studied for about four (4) decades now. I have made many posts to explain the complexity of the subject of the significance of the "dot" at the end of the the lettering of a tally and the periods concerned.

l11-velasco, you are more than welcome.