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Old 06-09-22, 02:00 PM
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I know there is a thread on this somewhere but unable to locate it so could someone please fill me in with the conclusions. It is very well made (cast) but has the obvious anachronism that Jennens finished c1925 and this badge is c1942 plus I have never seen a Jennens badge with a slider before. If someone was going to make a fake, why on earth would they put a slider of that date on it which is so obviously wrong?
Is it possible that Jennens did have sliders made for ORs badges but never used and taken over with their stock by Gaunts who saw this as a chance to use them up in 1941/2 or is this just wishful thinking? I would love to hear your answers. Denis
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Old 06-09-22, 02:37 PM
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It’s very fake I’m afraid Denis, no doubts at all.
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Old 06-09-22, 04:10 PM
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Sorry, Denis; I agree with Luke’s assessment.

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Old 06-09-22, 04:18 PM
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Thank you Luke and Marcus for your replies. What I suspected though I am totally puzzled why anyone would put Jennens sliders on them!!! Denis
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Old 06-09-22, 05:45 PM
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I would agree with Denis, I remember reading a thread about this badge, but can’t find it now?
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Old 06-09-22, 06:02 PM
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Gents,

Are you referring to this thread: https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...+trial+pattern
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Old 06-09-22, 06:30 PM
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Sadly Denis the answer is because people will buy it.

A list of fake makers marks can be found in this thread:
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=81809
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Old 06-09-22, 06:34 PM
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Are you referring to this thread: https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...+trial+pattern
That’s an entertaining read, popcorn time.
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Old 06-09-22, 07:38 PM
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That’s an entertaining read, popcorn time.
Another classic thread Keith

It’s interesting in post #10 of that thread Peter appears to say the 26H trial pattern badges came from Hugh King’s collection but in his book page 5 mentions a visit to the NAM in 1997 and the card with the (26H) ‘Cap Badge (Other Ranks) gilding metal fitted with a slider.’ Unless I’ve read that wrong?

On page 3 re the GM trial badge Peter notes ‘the slider is ‘‘Starr. Putney SW’’. (The slider has not been changed)’

To date the two genuine Starr marks I’ve seen are on Wandsworth Pals and a WW1 vintage RAMC. So it seems strange this WW1 outfitter mark would appear on a trial WW2 Cavalry badge.

What’s more the genuine marks read ‘‘F. Starr Putney. S.W.’’, but there is a fake mark which does read as per Peter’s description. I do not think this is mere coincidence.

Based on my observations I believe all those GM badges, inc. one in the book, are fakes.
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As far as I know Jennens only made Officer's badges and I have never seen one with a slider.
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Many thanks to you all for your interesting replies which are very much as I had expected. Sadly it will be going back for refund which is a pity as it is so well made and I rather like it but no good if it is not genuine! Denis
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Blimey! That 2011 thread was slightly bad tempered. Did UN Peacekeepers get involved in the end?
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There's a good reason that both dealers in question no longer post on the forum. Clear conflict of interests.
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Old 07-09-22, 12:18 PM
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There's a good reason that both dealers in question no longer post on the forum. Clear conflict of interests.
I thought they were both banned tbh?
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Old 07-09-22, 01:41 PM
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Luke, I own the former King/Seaman gilding metal ‘Starr’ marked example pictured in For Hostilities Only (2010). Hence, from the images below, you can see that the gilding metal version in the book is the typical Gaunt restrike pattern (displaying the central flaw on the crown, which is indicated by an arrow), and I suspect the bogus maker mark stamped on the edge of the slider is a later embellishment.

Alas, I do not have a genuine gilding metal version with the Arabic numerals in my collection. Moreover, I do own the related OSD cap and collars mentioned in the link; thus, I would agree with Seaman that the gilding metal trial badge should share the obverse traits exhibited on the bronze cap badge - notably the lilies, for a simple guide. Similarly, shared characteristics of the respective crown are also found on the unadopted 26H Roman numeral and 25D trial patterns.
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