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Old 29-07-20, 06:16 AM
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Default The Norfolk Pagri badge - Who, What, When & Where ?

Good morning,
As the title suggests, I'm looking for information about the badge I have below.
All comments welcome, any photos of it being worn would be great.
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Old 29-07-20, 06:47 AM
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It’s in great condition
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Old 29-07-20, 02:12 PM
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Picture of it being worn.

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Old 29-07-20, 02:33 PM
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These badges seem to be quite common, on both ebay and dealers sites. Usually have clipped sliders for some reason.
I also suspect they are early, meaning pre ww1 regarding use, as that late Victorian photo suggests.

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Old 29-07-20, 02:44 PM
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I have seen half a dozen in the last 5 years. All but one with a shortened slider. If it was but cut down the bottom would have stuck out below the pagri folds.

The idea that it was a SNCO's badge is a dealer's fallacy as the photo quite clearly shows.
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Old 29-07-20, 03:27 PM
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Yes it often gets called an NCOs badge, I’m not sure why? But they were worn by all ORs as far as I know. I’d say from the times the regiment was in India about 1890 ish. Not common but not scarce go from about £50 upwards. I have two different strikes and usually as others have sad, the long slider is clipped.
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Old 29-07-20, 03:42 PM
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Confirmation that the badge was first worn in Victorian times helps alot.
Because most have sliders, I thought it was a later pattern badge and was only worn in
the Edwardian era and later.

Thanks to all
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Old 29-07-20, 04:30 PM
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Al though not very clear, the collar badges would appear to be Pattern No 9966 which was sealed on 20th January 1882. This was superceded by Pattern 9966a on 21st March 1898. So possibly between those dates? Of course, I am well aware that the earlier pattern was worn past 1898.

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Old 29-07-20, 08:41 PM
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This badge can also be found, with two short copper eyelet fixings , top and bottom,
also can be found with a Firmin London tab, on long eyelets.
Two threaded studs for use on the cross plate.
Can be found being used on two maces, and the is also one that has had IX added to the bottom of the badge.

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That Firmin badge is gorgeous.
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Forgot this.
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and forgot this too
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Forgot this.
They look familiar!
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The first mention of a 'vertical shank' (popularly known as a slider!) was in 1903.
There was an order that any fixture on the badge should not perforate the FSH or the "Universal Service Hat" (aka felt hat, slouch hat etc) - but there are examples that it happens.

So yes, the clipped VS makes sense. The eyelets / loops were definitely breaking regulations.
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They look familiar!
Funny you should say that, on yours there is a number 28, and on mine there is the remains of a number
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