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Old 30-04-21, 09:41 PM
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Not being familiar with this badge, I believe this to be bad as well. Lugs should be north/south? A very deep domed strike however.

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Based upon the photographs I certainly share your opinion.


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Not being familiar with this badge, I believe this to be bad as well. Lugs should be north/south? A very deep domed strike however.

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Old 02-05-21, 11:27 PM
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Well, after further research here on the forum, I can confirm this is a phony.

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CB,
I have a Nelson Battalion badge that looks very much like yours, with E-W lugs, that is genuine.
It was given to me in the early 1970s by an aunt along with a named Nelson Battalion 1914 Star; these belonged to her step-father and had been in her possession since his death in the 1950s. My father knew of their existence from years before, when his step-father was alive, but had no interest in them at the time. My aunt was unable to find his other medals sadly, along with some other items of his that she thought might be of interest to me. So, when I got the badge, my father had been aware of its existence for decades before (hence asking his sister for it on my behalf), well before the repros and restrikes became available. So, I wouldn't despair too soon.
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I have a Nelson Battalion badge that looks very much like yours, with E-W lugs, that is genuine.
It was given to me in the early 1970s by an aunt along with a named Nelson Battalion 1914 Star; these belonged to her step-father and had been in her possession since his death in the 1950s. My father knew of their existence from years before, when his step-father was alive, but had no interest in them at the time. My aunt was unable to find his other medals sadly, along with some other items of his that she thought might be of interest to me. So, when I got the badge, my father had been aware of its existence for decades before (hence asking his sister for it on my behalf), well before the repros and restrikes became available. So, I wouldn't despair too soon.
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A photograph of the front and back would be helpful.

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Old 03-05-21, 02:39 PM
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I too, would certainly be very interested to see photographs!
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Attached are photos of said badge and medal.

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George,

Nice 1914 star, but as for the badge, I feel its a copy.

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Attached are photos of said badge and medal.

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You have a fake badge with a medal.
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Old 03-05-21, 04:33 PM
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The photographs are not the best, but, I would say from them the the badge is an obvious fake, given the materials and method of manufacture, the finish, as well as the awful lugs.

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Could you post close ups of the medal please, esp. with the naming in focus.
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I am happy that the RND naming on the 1914 Star (Official Style No.2) is what I would expect to see in both content, style and execution.

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Old 03-05-21, 07:22 PM
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A brief glance at ADM188 and ADM171 shows SS102276 David Holland originally an Engine Cleaner from Liverpool, a Stoker first class, he saw service with the Nelson Battalion from the 15th of September until the 31st of December 1914, before being posted away, his Star was sent to him upon the 8th of September 1922.


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Old 03-05-21, 07:24 PM
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Me too, I think he was he was lucky to make it home, many did not!


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Same badge as the one I posted, which now resides in my garbage can. It appears that these badges were not even restrikes, but complete fakes from inception. They all appear to have some age to them however.

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