5/6th Bn Staffordshire cap badge

[49lassiepen]

Just sold on Clanfield Militaria 5/6 battalion staffordshire regiment Any one know what the price was . I think I only just missed it

David

[2747andy]

I thought this was a "Fantasy" item?

Andy

[49lassiepen]

See Lew site
David

[Alan O]

It's fantasy in that is not aluminium nor officially authorised for wear.

The badge in Hugh King's collection is a cast, 'anodised' base metal (and not aluminium), which rather suggests local manufacture rather than from an established badge makers. This ties in with the absence of official approval for its wear.

Stamford CCF had cap badge made from the same metal in the 1950s.

There is one photo on the fourm of the Battalion wearing the knot badge in the 1950s. It's not conclusive proof that Hugh King's one was right but it cannot be dismissed.

[dubaiguy]

Missed Garry's sale price, but if it helps the hammer price was £132 in the 2009 Bosleys sale.
Mark

[Mike H]

Its most definately not aluminium,
More like the shiny newer CCF badges that are made today.
A friend of mine bought one some years ago,he realised upon reciept that the badge wasnt made from aluminium.

[49lassiepen]

1of the ref books that I used wasTHE STAFFORDS 1881-1978 BY ROSIGNOLI AND CAPT C.J. WHITEHOUSE page 15 cap badge of L.i and mercian vols line drawing but could not find any ref to the material this was made from ,due to the date I assumed this was a/a

David

[grey_green_acorn]

Originally Posted by Alan O

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ht=isle&page=2

See post 25 for the picture.

If you look very carefully at that picture you may detect that the Stafford Knot cap badges have been photo shopped in!

Tim

[Alan O]

Perhaps John can provide the source document for the photo.

[grey_green_acorn]

Alan,
This is what I see
Note the rectangle around each badge!

Tim

[Mike H]

Is it a backing to the badge ?
Dont forget the S.Staffs wore an oversize backing rather than the Staffords backing.

[2747andy]

It does raise suspicion, I have never seen an image of so many individuals, all in the same place at the same time who have obviously fallen asleep during Lesson 1 on how to shape a beret!

Then you have Oliver Hardy striding out in the center!

Obviously I make the above observations Tonge in cheek, however the badge which started the thread, looks very tacky and of the sort of poor cast alloy copy common a few years back but with the odd example still appearing on eBay now and again!

Even the alloy CCF badges are of far better quality than the piece of tat in question here! Whilst I can see a relatively small cadet unit getting away with sneaking such a monster under the radar, I am not entirely sure even a TA unit could seriously procure such poor quality piece of insignia! I'm always willing to be proven wrong, but I certainly won't be in any hurry to add one of those to my own collection!

Andy

[Peter Brydon]

It is a pity that the badges in Edwards are line drawings rather than photographs of actual badges as that would have made the various editions much better reference material.

P.B.

[hagwalther]

Originally Posted by 2747andy

I thought this was a "Fantasy" item?

Andy

In A/A most certainly.

The contract was cancelled before any were made.

Regards

Chris

[dak580]

Originally Posted by Alan O

Perhaps John can provide the source document for the photo.

All I can add is that the image was sent directly to me by the curator of the Staffordshire Regiment Museum (Whittington Barracks) when I raised an inquiry about the 5th/6th and a couple of other badges.

I see no reason why the museum would ‘doctor’ any picture in their collection.

Only thing I can suggest is if you’re passing go into the museum and ask to see the original print.

Cheers
John