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Old 20-04-21, 03:32 PM
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A question about this badge I am curious as to the manufacturer I wonder if this piece was made by mfg Reuteler?
The other types I have of this are all made by Firmin
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Old 20-04-21, 09:13 PM
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I don’t think it’s a Reuteler made example as the it appears to be cast and theirs were struck also Reuteler RAR badges have a hollow image of the raised image on the front.
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Old 21-04-21, 04:44 PM
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Great information thank you Loski!
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Old 22-04-21, 07:07 AM
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There are numerous makers of RAR badges and a lot of different patterns show up.
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Old 25-04-21, 05:43 PM
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Thanks Alex,
See here I think I found the maker today in this badge !
I will do a side by side comparison when it arrives
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Old 28-04-21, 11:12 AM
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Well the badge just arrived in suicide packaging but survived
Good news they are an identical match so the first posted is an unmarked MM and co
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Old 03-05-21, 05:27 AM
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I am no expert on Rhodie badges but am not aware of whether MM made badges which weren't marked. It may just be a copy made from an MM badge.
I will ask a friend who has an huge collection of Rhodie badges.
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Old 05-05-21, 09:10 AM
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I am no expert on Rhodie badges but am not aware of whether MM made badges which weren't marked. It may just be a copy made from an MM badge.
I will ask a friend who has an huge collection of Rhodie badges.
Cheers,
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Your not an expert on Rhodie badges so ask your friend if he has a digital photo of an original MM non silver so everyone can see it
My friend will be agog to know your friends opinion

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Old 05-05-21, 11:34 AM
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I heard the authority on Rhodesian militaria was banned.
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Old 06-05-21, 07:01 AM
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There are quite a number of collectors down here in South Africa who are very knowledgeable on Rhodesian badges.
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Old 06-05-21, 09:11 AM
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Hi Tweed
The reply from my friend.
"Matthews also made solid back W/M and chrome badges - none of the above had their stamp on - their stamp was quite common on some early Zim badges."
Yours must be a WM MM badge then. I leant something as I always thought Matthews only made the officer badges!
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Old 06-05-21, 12:45 PM
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Hi Tweed,
I have 2 of the Mathews unmarked OR cap badges as well as a marked silver one.
I will attach some pics. Reuteler did manufacture RAR silver collars with various obverses, not sure about the cap badges though.
One thing I have found is that the font on the Rhodesian made cap badges differs to the Firmin ones. Also if you look carefully at the "stitching" of the shield, you will notice that the Firmin cap badge has more stitches than the locally made ones.

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Old 15-05-21, 09:31 PM
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Thank you Alex and Dave
I will keep an eye for more and my German collector will be pleased with the unmarked variant so far he has not done too bad with the fakes but he really should join the forum so he can learn faster .
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