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Hi Terry, thanks for replying. I was asking about any information on Murphy Jeweler in Canada. They made the actual Sterling transport command and ferry command pilot wings of which I now have both after a 12 plus year search for the ferry command alone. I want to write a paper and am asking anyone if they have information on Murphy jeweler or Jewelers in wartime Canada. I saw a bracelet marked Murphy Sterling the other day when I was looking it up but I can't find anything on a company linked to that maker Mark, Murphy Sterling
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MURPHY : Jeweller - Can't find any listed in Canada but did find one in Pennsylvania. Sterling : Purity mark - In America, articles marked sterling must contain a minimum of 925 parts silver for every 1000 parts of material. By far the vast majority of qualifying items made in the US ca. 1860 to 1970–especially items made before 1940–are marked sterling or sterling silver. Unfortunately I can make out the 'stamp' next to 'Sterling' , it appears to be either a single letter or symbol. .
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This happens with a lot of links from old posts. .
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The marks look more like those of a Jeweller/craftsman than a larger company/manufacturer. .
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It is strange that Murphy does not really come up on an internet search, not even in relation to being taken over by another company. RAF Ferry Command started life under the Canadian Pacific Railway Air Services Department, before being taken over by the Ministry of Aircraft Production. In June 1941 because of the need for American aircraft to be handed over to a military organisation, RAF Ferry Command was born. The crews were initially all civilians from a wide variety of backgrounds, and they wore bullion cap badges and cloth wings, similar to RAF and RCAF but with no crown and with the letters 'FC' in the centre. As they moved on to the metal badges several companies were involved. Wings were certainly produced by 'Murphy' of Montreal, although I am certain I have seen wings also produced by 'Scully'; cap badges were produced by Scully (in chrome and silver) buttons by Murphy and Scully in white metal and chromed metal, while lapel badges for wear on civilian clothes seem mostly to be made by Birks. In the case of Murphy wings, to begin with they don't carry a 'hallmark' as such. They have the makers name 'Murphy', and the term 'Sterling' (a mark of silver purity). I'm not sure what the mark next to the 'G' of Sterling is, but its seemingly not recognised as a silver hallmark, possibly because the wings are not pure silver. Wings were produced both with broach pin fittings and screw posts, on both the pilots wing and the aircrew wing. You will see on mine that the 'Murphy' and 'Sterling' are stamped separately, being 'Sterling Murphy' on one and 'Murphy Sterling' on the other. |
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A silver and enamel cap badge made by William Scully Ltd.
Note the makers name to the reverse and the Roman centurion helmet makers mark. Also the silver retailing nuts, also marked sterling and with the Scully makers mark. |
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The only thing I can find about "Murphy's of Montreal" refers to the large department store that was sold to Robert Simpson Company of Toronto in 1905. The store continued to operate under the well-respected John Murphy & Company name. In 1929, it was renamed Robert Simpson Montreal and all its assets were sold to Simpson's Limited, which demolished the building and built a new store covering the width of the block.
Regarding buttons , I can find no photos/references to Murphy but examples by Scully and Gaunt : Quote:
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I think there are other examples of Canadian badges out there which are 'Murphy Montreal' marked too. |
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It's easy to see how an 'assumption' could become a "fact" but , like you , I can find no examples with a Montreal mark. I did find examples of the later KC versions , both Ferry Command and Transport Command , on a dealer's site that are listed as "By Murphy of Canada" ww2wings shows examples of the earlier badges (Murphy, Sterling/Murphy with Hallmark) but doesn't show rear of badges , it also has a KC Ferry Command one (STERLING BIRKS) but again no rear view. .
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When Ferry Command was established it was, with a handful of exceptions staffed by civilians, and probably for that reason the pilots wing and aircrew wing have the 'Astral crown' which amongst other things can represent civil aviation. As such, all of the silver Ferry Command wings, and the later Transport command wings have the Astral crown. (As the war went on an increasing number of service crews became available, wearing their own uniforms, to the extent that by the end of the war it was mostly service personnel, and it had been incorporated into the RAF as No. 45 Transport Group).
All the wings with the 'Kings crown' are the small lapel badges, about 1 inch across. The crown is incorrect. These were all made by Birks, who were jewellers. |
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To all of you, a very sincere and heartfelt hats off with a bow of respect. Thank you so much for clarifying your thoughts and the extent of information you gathered regarding Murphy Sterling marks on the transport command and ferry command wings. Might I say, splendid examples each and every one, set to picture for our enjoyment. What a blessing to see all that history coalesced into what those wings pictured represent, regarding the pioneering spirit of those men who risked everything to use the strength and initiative of their manhood to put down the slavish tyranny of national socialism. Again, thank you so much for taking the time to give me the information I need to complete my paper on these wings.....
And yes, that was me who picked up the wing off of eBay after a decade plus long and arduous search from the US. I have a great deal of respect and passion for RAF history and the preservation of these types of tiny monuments to the men who made it what it is today. Last edited by Mtnman; 12-06-21 at 09:57 AM. |
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It is interesting that the small lapel badges were made by a jeweller as it could support my theory that the earlier badges were also made by a jewelller rather than a badge manufacturer , especially as the MURPHY STERLING mark also appears on a bracelet (see post # 19). .
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Mike
I got a new addition to my Ferry Command collection today and so took the chance to remount my Ferry and Transport Command badges, and clean them etc. So I also took the opportunity to photo to the wings and lapel badges to show the size difference and looking at my two lapel badges I was surprised to find they are both Murphy badges (its a been a while since I had a look!) So there is the wing and the lapel badge to show the sizing... |
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...and here are the 'Murphy, Sterling' marked lapel badges...
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