Not a Motto a 17th Lancers Chapka

[yorkstone]

Gentlemen and Ladies not a Motto this time as my last post caused some interest.

this is a 1903 dated 17th Lancers Chapka dated to the skull With Hobson labels to the interior plume is synthetic sadly but everything else spot on or so I believe.

I also have a slightly earlier uniform with Belt to go with it.

enjoy

Stephen

Collecting to Stone Staffordshire and surrounding Towns and Villages. In particular the whereabouts of my Great Uncles medals

14 Star Trio 1st Battalion North Staffordshire Regiment to 9605 Pte H Taylor known to be serving with A Coy 1915

also his brother location of his British War and Victory to 12125 Pte W.J Taylor serving with 5th Batt R.F. 1915. I have his 14/15 Star.

[davec2]

Very nice Stephen,

I don't know enough to pass a constructive comment but I do know what I like !!

Dave.

[GriffMJ]

Stephen

It looks great.....

[Neibelungen]

I've always like these style of headdress, although my preference is the earlier (pre 1864) patterns.

I had the dubious pleasure of making new ones of them for the Band of the Royal Lancers to replace the fibreglass versions they were using.

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by Neibelungen

I had the dubious pleasure of making new ones of them for the Band of the Royal Lancers to replace the fibreglass versions they were using.

You must have some good skill with leather, I would love to know how make one

[Neibelungen]

There's very little leatherwork involved in them as such, it's more hand sewing and felt blocking with the leather stretched and glued around the base. It's all suprisingly thin and supple, it's just age that makes it feel so solid.

The top is made with the 4 sides of the palivion sections sewn into the outer edges of a clipped leather square and then pulled round a metal frame in the top and sewn to the body, so it holds itself all together into mortar-board shape. A metal ring there is sewn in to keep the shape from distorting the skull top.

David Rowes' book on lancer caps has a few pictures that show some of the process we used.

[Hussar100]

Originally Posted by Neibelungen

There's very little leatherwork involved in them as such, it's more hand sewing and felt blocking with the leather stretched and glued around the base. It's all suprisingly thin and supple, it's just age that makes it feel so solid.

The top is made with the 4 sides of the palivion sections sewn into the outer edges of a clipped leather square and then pulled round a metal frame in the top and sewn to the body, so it holds itself all together into mortar-board shape. A metal ring there is sewn in to keep the shape from distorting the skull top.

David Rowes' book on lancer caps has a few pictures that show some of the process we used.

That's a fantastic skill set you have there.

[wright241]

Originally Posted by yorkstone

Gentlemen and Ladies not a Motto this time as my last post caused some interest.

this is a 1903 dated 17th Lancers Chapka dated to the skull With Hobson labels to the interior plume is synthetic sadly but everything else spot on or so I believe.

I also have a slightly earlier uniform with Belt to go with it.

enjoy

Stephen

Collecting to Stone Staffordshire and surrounding Towns and Villages. In particular the whereabouts of my Great Uncles medals

14 Star Trio 1st Battalion North Staffordshire Regiment to 9605 Pte H Taylor known to be serving with A Coy 1915

also his brother location of his British War and Victory to 12125 Pte W.J Taylor serving with 5th Batt R.F. 1915. I have his 14/15 Star.

Stephen,
Is that plume (and I don't just mean the colour, because they are the same) the same type and construction i.e. with the long threaded stud etc - as the one used on the 4th RIDG helmet. David

[Hussar100]

Originally Posted by wright241

Stephen,
Is that plume (and I don't just mean the colour, because they are the same) the same type and construction i.e. with the long threaded stud etc - as the one used on the 4th RIDG helmet. David

They'd both be made of horsehair but I doubt the methodology of anchoring them would be the same. Have a look here at a 4DG helmet. http://www.nam.ac.uk/online-collecti...=1963-09-599-1

[Neibelungen]

Lancer plumes are made on a brass flatish rectangular wire with a set of bends in them to fit into a socket behind the boss.

There's usually a thumbscrew inside the cap that passes into the boss socket and clamps them into place.

So ... no thread on the bottom for a wing nut to clamp onto the bottom and hold it in the stem, plus it's usually square rod for the dragoon plume.

[wright241]

Originally Posted by Hussar100

They'd both be made of horsehair but I doubt the methodology of anchoring them would be the same. Have a look here at a 4DG helmet. http://www.nam.ac.uk/online-collecti...=1963-09-599-1

Thanks for the info about the 4RIDG helmet bits, but as I already have a 4RDIG helmet - with all its bits-and-bobs - but not the 5L helmet one posted, I only asked as I have a spare horsehair one somewhere and it may have proved useful. However, it doesn't sound as if that is the case. Good to know.
David

[yorkstone]

Dear all,

Seems to have started quite a chat,

4RIDG is of interest to me as I served with the 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards back in the 80's do you have the Helmet? I am sure we would like to see it.


yours in Collecting

Stephen

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