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Old 19-11-12, 09:28 PM
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A Boer war(2nd Anglo Boer war 1899-1902) period felt hat.It has a Lions head badge with a hook to hold badge in the slouch position.These lion's head badges were also worn by some NZ soldiers in WW1.(A Fox collection)
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Old 19-11-12, 10:24 PM
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WW1 Caps pictorial.

(1) Officers ,early 4th Otago open ferns circa 1914.
(2)Officers ,NZ specialists ,circa 1917.
(3) Other ranks,10th Nelson Mounted Rifles ,and 12th reinforcement collar badges,circa 1916
(4) Other ranks .E company 22nd reinforcements.Rifleman Richard Bell 38646,K.I.A.
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Old 20-11-12, 03:47 AM
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WW1 era felt hats pictorial-Infantry.

While the lemonsqueezer hat is synonymous with the NZEF infantry soldier of WW1 ,Its use wan't widespread until mid 1916 when it regulations changed from the dented crown to the peaked crown.This was to make the New Zealanders more distinguishable from their Australian counterparts who also wore there hats slouch style.The lemonsqueezer style hat was however used by some earlier units namely the New Zealand artillery in 1912 and the Wellington infantry battalion in 1914.A red /khaki/red pugaree was worn on the hats to signify that they were infantry.

Between 1912 and the start of 1916 ,Infantry soldiers wore a a dented crown felt hat with the left hand brim folded up ,slouch styleThese were held in place by a clip,a snap fastener or a badge with a hook.When worn in action,i.e Gallipoli the hat was usually worn with the brim down to maxamise the protection from the elements.The felt hat/forage hat and Foreign service helmet were replaced by a steel helmet when the infantry went to the Western front in early 1916,but the felt hat was still worn when the soldiers were not in action.

Service dress forage caps were issued when felt hats were in short supply during WW1 in New Zealand.Soldiers in camp in New Zealand generally were issued with dented crown felt hats and generally wore them this way,until they went overseas .

(1) 4th Otago Regiment ,territorial camp circa 1913.Wearing dented crown felt hats ,slouch style.Wearing early 4th Otago open fern badges.
(2)Main body men from Riverton.This photo taken in 1914 ,shows some territorial hats used by the Main Body.Dented peak felt hats ,a forage cap and Corporal John Helm ,middle standing ,a Boer war veteran wearing his felt hat from that era.Badges are 8th Southland Infantry and 6th Southland Mounted rifles.
(3) This soldier, circa early 1916,has a dented peak hat with a snap fastener.His badges are WW1 onward collar badges and New Zealand shoulder titles.
(4) Private John Baird ,K.I.A,has the dented felt hat typically worn by later reinforcements,while in camp in New Zealand.He is wearing 22nd Reinforcement cap and collars.
(5) A Corporal of the 2nd South Canterbury Infantry and a Rifleman of the NZRB ,circa 1918 ,wearing there felt hats lemonsqueezer style.
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Old 20-11-12, 06:10 PM
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NZ Moutend Rifles pictorial.

(1) John and Arch Warren reunite in South Africa in 1901.John Warren served in the 5th contingent NZMR,as well as returning in the 9th ,and later serving in WW1.He died in the influenza epidemic in 1918.His only badge showing is a small NZMR shoulder title.His brother Arch came to South Africa as a groomsman on one of transports.He joined the colonial unit ''Kitcheners Horse''.

(2)Troopers Patrick and Micheal Rabbitt(cousins),pictured at Featherston camp in 1917.Patrick (sitting) wears the badges of the 7th Southland mounted rifles ,while Patrick has the badges of the 5th Hussars.The pugaree on the felt is khaki/green/khaki signifying the NZMR.

(3) A New Zealand trooper in Egypt wearing a Foreign service helmet.

(4) Four troopers of the 42nd Mounted rifles reinforcements.They wear a mixture of high and low tail ''peagasus'' mounted reinforcement cap and collar badges.Circa mid 1918

(5)Sergeant James Hanger,MM wearing 5th Otago Hussars badges.He wears his felt hat lemonsqueezer style.The Otago Mounted rifles,which also included the 7th Southland and 12th Otago squadrons were the only Mounted rifles unit to wear this style ,the others wore the theirs with dented crowns.The OMR were the only NZ mounted rifles to serve on the Western front.Circa late 1918
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Old 20-11-12, 08:07 PM
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Now im running short of original material at the moment ,so here is a nice compilation that i have taken off the internet.I hope to post new pictures as they come to hand,but if anyone wants to add to this thread then feel free to share .

(1) 3rd Auckland Mounted Rifles hat,circa 1917-18,complete with patch indicating AMR.Mounted rifles pugaree
(2)Foriegn service helmet circa 1914-15.Khaki/red /khaki patch indicates Infantry.
(3)WW1 English made Infantry Lemonsqueezer ,Southland Infantry badge
(4)WW1 New Zealand lemonsqueezer, machine gun corp badge
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Old 20-11-12, 08:23 PM
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....continued

(5) Early Mounted rifles hat circa 1912-1915,with 9th Wellington East coast Mounted rifles badge
(6)WW1 New Zealand made ,NZ rifle brigade reinforcements hat badge
(7) Early Mounted Rifles hat,circa 1912-1915,with the 7th Southland Mounted rifles hat badge.
(8) WW1 Lemonsqueezer ,2nd South Canterbury Infantry.
(9) WW1 NZFA lemonsqueezer(Gore R.S.A)
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The lemonsqueezer style hat was however used by some earlier units namely the New Zealand artillery in 1912 and the Wellington infantry battalion in 1914.
Service dress forage caps were issued when felt hats were in short supply during WW1 in New Zealand.Soldiers in camp in New Zealand generally were issued with dented crown felt hats and generally wore them this way,until they went overseas
Puk, your books are a bit out of date.
The NZ Artillery did not adopt the lemonsqueezer shape in 1912.
The first regiment to adopt the lemonsqueezer shape was the 17th Ruahine Regiment in 1914, just prior to the war. (Yes they are a Wellington Regiment)
The Wellington Regiment that departed with the Main Body adopted the lemonsqueezer shape on the 24th August 1914.

Service dress caps were issued as early as 1912 and were issued to all NZ troops throughout the war.
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Old 27-11-12, 07:28 PM
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Puk, your books are a bit out of date.
The NZ Artillery did not adopt the lemonsqueezer shape in 1912.
The first regiment to adopt the lemonsqueezer shape was the 17th Ruahine Regiment in 1914, just prior to the war. (Yes they are a Wellington Regiment)
The Wellington Regiment that departed with the Main Body adopted the lemonsqueezer shape on the 24th August 1914.

Service dress caps were issued as early as 1912 and were issued to all NZ troops throughout the war.
Brent,

While i used the reference in ''New Zealand Army,uniforms and clothing''(2008),page 152,by Barry O'Sullivan,it was remiss of me to doublecheck the information.

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Old 27-11-12, 09:57 PM
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Only NZ item I own. Any way to tell the age or country where made from this picture? Regards, Paul.
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Old 28-11-12, 08:32 AM
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Old 28-11-12, 06:55 PM
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Brent,

While i used the reference in ''New Zealand Army,uniforms and clothing''(2008),page 152,by Barry O'Sullivan,it was remiss of me to doublecheck the information.

Iain
Puk I am a big fan of the O'Sullivan brothers books and highly recommend them to all.
It was Barry that got me to join the Militarianz forum and the NZ mounted forum. It was also Barry who mentored me during my New Zealand military head dress research, suppling me with volumes of regulations.
Unfortunately I didn't crack the riddle of the lemonsqueezer shape until Barry's second book was at the printers, and just prior to going on sale, so sadly the new information could not be included

http://militarianz.freeforums.org/nz...acts-t701.html

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Old 28-11-12, 06:58 PM
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Only NZ item I own. Any way to tell the age or country where made from this picture? Regards, Paul.
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If you supply more photos of you hat, inside and out, I am pretty sure I can answer your question, from what I can see so far, I am leaning to it being British made.
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Old 29-11-12, 08:01 AM
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Only NZ item I own. Any way to tell the age or country where made from this picture? Regards, Paul.
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I totally agree with Brent that it is difficult to age a hat by one exterior photo alone.There are a number of factors to take into account.There were a number of WW1 English manufacturers with different styyles

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Old 29-11-12, 09:12 AM
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Bit dark but hope these help. Last picture was taken a couple of years ago so I had to take some more. No makers details. Regards, Paul.
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Old 29-11-12, 10:24 AM
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Paul, you have a nice British made late WW1 lemonsqueezer.
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