9th Lancers World War 1 economy

[Another Bubble]

Hello all,

I picked this badge up a few weeks ago &, whilst at the time I was happy with it, I've since been given cause to doubt it, so I'm opening it up for comments & discussion.

If you consider it to be a dud, please state why.

Cheers

Steve

[Sonofacqms]

According to Laurie Archer's notes on restrikes there was a 9th Lancers World War 1 economy issued by Gaunt in the early seventies with a named slider, also one with a plain slider, possibly bacause their named ones were considered incorrect for Great War issue badges.

As to whether yours is one of the latter I don't know as I'm not a Cavalry specialist.

Rob

[Alan O]

If it was mine I would return it. The slider is of the size and shape of a repro and the mottled stains are suspiciously like artificial aging.

Also whilst Gaylor's (inaccurate) list states there was an all brass version, I suspect that this was incorrect because as it was one piece badge, there was no authorisation for white metal one-piece badges to be produced in brass. KLR is the man to confirm that.

Alan

[Another Bubble]

Thanks for that.

When you say the slider has the size & shape of a repro, how long should a genuine one be? The slider in question measures 33mm, more or less.

[Alan O]

There was no genuine all brass 9th Lancers' badge so there is no 'right' slider. Sliders came in many different styles as they had many makers and styles changed over the years: but the modern ones often are the same shape and length as the one on your 9th Lancers in terms of length, breadth and tapering.



Alan

[leigh kitchen]

Amongst the brass 9L cap badges currently offered for sale on eBay is one with a Bodill Parker "BP & Co LD B'HAM" stamping on the slider which also has a piercing as per attaching by thread to a sealed pattern card.


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/British-A...AAAOSwHPNbJo0W

[Alan O]

100% fake in my opinion.

[leigh kitchen]

Yes, just thought I'd show it as it's the first time I've seen this marking on what is presumably meant to be a "WWI economy", also the hole in the slider.

[Alan O]

The irony being that as KLR's excellent research has showed there were not sealed pattern cards issued for all brass versions. The original bimetal badges' sealed pattern cards were annotated in pencil to the effect that they were to be made in all brass for the duration. Therefore no hole in any slider.

There was no officially issued all brass version. Officers collars and bazaar badges are a possibility.

[Keith Blakeman]

How does that maker mark compare with supposed genuine examples?

[Nozzer]

Originally Posted by Keith Blakeman

How does that maker mark compare with supposed genuine examples?

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/ma...arker_&_co.htm

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by Nozzer

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/ma...arker_&_co.htm

Hence why I said ‘supposed genuine’. All three in the makers mark section look different. I’ve never trusted it.

[Nozzer]

Originally Posted by Keith Blakeman

Hence why I said ‘supposed genuine’. All three in the makers mark section look different. I’ve never trusted it.

The one on the Norfolk Yeomanry is correct the other two are garbage as is the one shown in the link supplied by Leigh. The Norfolk Yeomanry would seem to be the most common badge to have this MM, but I think I have a Middlesex Regiment. I don't recall any others in my collection though. I think this MM has been discussed a few times on the forum.

[Nozzer]

Two genuine badges with this makers mark.

I'm getting really fed up with the fakers, and their attempts to fool us get more and more devious. We have been debating whether the offered (eBay mainly) WWI Glosters cap badges were ever genuinely issued in brass. So far, no evidence can be found that they were ever issued in brass - unless anyone knows differently???