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Old 09-10-20, 07:48 PM
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Default Northumberland Hussars QC B'Ham Makers Mark

I've recently put together a small collection of Northumberland Hussars badges, but have been unable to find a w/m QC without the J.R. Gaunt B'Ham makers mark on the slider.

Do they exist without this mark? Does anyone have one?
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Old 09-10-20, 08:25 PM
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Whilst outside the timeframe of my collecting I may be able to add something.

Corresponding with Keith Hook he mentioned that he has the last pattern QC Yorkshire Dragoons cap badge in WM taken from the SP card. He continued that it like the QC North Somerset Yeomanry and QC Dorset Yeomanry were never issued.

The QC Dorset Yeomanry die clearly fell into the hands of the repro-ers as these abound on eBay marked Gaunt B’ham.

I would suspect the QC Northumberland Hussars is another one of these never issued in metal and fell into the wrong hands so consequently all the Gaunt B’ham marked badges are 1970s and beyond restrikes from the original die.
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Old 10-10-20, 02:26 PM
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Thanks Luke for your thoughts. Though the thread has not been up long I'm not holding my breath that a member will have one without the B'Ham stamp or is attributable.

I've not been able to find many threads on the NH, but some years back Mike the administrator put up a splendid photograph of his NH collection which included a w/m QC variety - but unfortunately he didn't include a photo of the reverse. Perhaps he will see this thread and comment.

In lieu of any other evidence, your suspicions are extremely compelling.

You've also cleared up another suspicion that the w/m QO Dorset Yeomanry shown in KK as KK2349 was also never issued. Of course I did have a Gaunt B'Ham version as a gap filler in the forlorn hope.............!!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 10-10-20, 02:51 PM
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I think as well it’s also important to highlight that even if an unmarked slider or large letter J.R. GAUNT LONDON (i.e. 1950s and after) appears it would not automatically equal any initial production run or authenticity of such a badge.

We’ve all too often seen said mark appearing on badges it shouldn’t like thus:

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...36&postcount=1 (22D - voided numerals. Disbanded 1945)

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=185879 (Hunts Cyclists)

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=179200 (22D - solid numerals. Ditto)

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=175592 (Lincs Yeo - disbanded 1920)

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=173762 (Norfolk Reg in WM - see Laurie Archer’s notes)

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=173758 (19th London - not worn after 1935)

Strongly I suspect this is one where reality doesn’t quite equal the set or uniformity we’d all perhaps like as collectors to make a nice run and frame.
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Old 11-10-20, 09:35 AM
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.....1950s Gaunt sliders (1946-1970), note the pinched slider end.

White Metal (Coronation Issue)


Gilding Metal


.....1957 (Up the slider)


....1963 AA (Down the slider, no pinched end)


..... also the 17/21 Lancers 1950s and also showing the "double marked London/B'ham" post 1964 AA.
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..... here is a 1950s NH Gaunt London. It appears they carried on, as other Regiments did, using the KC. There should be, probably, a new die in the early 1960s with the E2R Crown with a Gaunt London mark going down the slider?

* You will find "H W Timings Ltd B'HAM" AA with the E2R crown.
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Old 11-10-20, 10:22 AM
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The 19th London and Lincs Yeo repros also have pinches to their sliders ends. The others I showed didn’t. Sadly I don’t think this is diagnostic.
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The 19th London and Lincs Yeo repros also have pinches to their sliders ends. The others I showed didnít. Sadly I donít think this is diagnostic.
.... good spot.... but the LY & LDY (and 17/21) are genuine.
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As Griff mentioned, the a/a version is QC marked HW Timings Bham. As far as I recall there isnt another makers mark.
As we've said in other threads Timings disappeared yet no other mark appeared although the NH were still going.
Did Timings produce a massive batch of badges or did another company produce the badges using the Timings mark ?
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I have Timings as a Subcontractor to Gaunt? If you look here https://www.paoyeomanry.org.uk/LY19572006Badge.htm you will see a Gaunt B'Ham and the Timings B'Ham with identical dies post 1970. But the Old original 1963 Gaunt London/B'Ham is different.
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Without any member producing a QC w/m Northumberland Hussars badge that doesn't have a J.R. Gaunt B'Ham marked slider, my conclusion has to be that this badge was not issued in w/m and those being sold with the B'Ham mark are all 1970's reproductions from the original die as per Luke's suggestion in post 2.

This further leads to the conclusion that if as KK states, the QC w/m was sealed on 19th September 1956, it never progressed past the point of sealing and the existing KC badge was therefore worn until replaced by the QC a/a badge - sealed on 13th March 1962.

Does anyone strongly disagree with this?
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