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1 piece die struck 10th Lpool Scottish
Not had one of this type before,though have a few of the 2piece examples, seems ok to me but hoping someone can confirm and give period of use/ manufacture
Thanks Paul |
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Paul,
According to Dennis Reeves the curator of the Liverpool Scottish Museum, the one piece badge " was simply a wartime economy pattern " ( his letter to me dated 25/9/2010 ) Peter
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By wartime 'economy' do we actually mean a post 1915 WD-supplied badge who went for a single piece badge as better value rather than the pre-1915 TF bought badges where cost and labour time was not so important. My point is the change was made by the change of supplier to the WD, rather than a decision to change the design to a more economical pattern by the original TF supplier.
I am conscious not to go down the mis-leading 'all brass' economy discussion as there was no such thing for this badge. |
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Alan,
Next time I speak to , or correspond with Dennis I will ask him if he has any more information. Peter
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I just wonder whether the WD ever made a 2 part badge? I suspect that they went straight to the one-piece badge when they took the decision to take over the supply of them.
I am much happier with the one-piece badges. As we know that the bi-metal badge is spurious (despite being in Bloomers) then as someone had superb dies to make 2 part badges, how do you tell one their products if they made any in all w/m? |
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The spurious bi metal badges were doing the rounds in the 1970`s, one of the examples I had was bought from the lists that Hugh King used to send out. ( see article in Crown Imperial Autumn 1998 page 25 fig 1. )
I have commented before on the fact that at one time two piece 10th ( Scottish ) bn. KLR cap badges were extremely difficult to find ,these days you will usually find a couple of examples on E bay at any time. One can draw one`s own conclusions as to how this might be the case. P.B.
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Two examples I have in the images. The left hand badge came with the adapted pin which I hope is period The right hand badge has w/m lugs and a w/m gaunt plaque Any comments on both appreciated I will post front images Paul Last edited by Paul Spellman; 20-10-15 at 06:27 PM. |
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Various manufacturers pattern books show that the two piece badge was made probably before and certainly during the 1st WW.
Over many years looking at what badges are available, the 2 piece one actually seems more common than the 1 piece. I don't think many people believe in the 2 piece being worn by NCOs and the 1 piece by ORs - even though the 1 piece was obviously easier to make. My feeling - yet to be proven - is that the 1 piece was a post (1st) war production. My great uncle was the MO of the Liverpool Scottish in the 1930s (poss earlier ???) and his badge (which I have) is 1 piece (even though one might have expected him to have an officer's silver one !?) - OK not conclusive but I hope to do more research on this. By the way Paul, your right hand badge is a sporran badge - regardless of fittings. That type is different to the ordinary OR glengarry badge - but actually the same design as the officer's one ! Last edited by KLR; 20-10-15 at 08:04 PM. |
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Unfortunately my point was that if you can only tell the old bi-metal restrikes are fakes because the wrong metal was used some 40 years ago but the dies are perfect then you have no hope of spotting any all w/m ones which were made at that time from the very same dies. Alan |
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