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Victorian Crowns pre/post-1881
Would anyone be so kind as to explain the difference between a pre-1881 and a post-1881 Victorian Crown (images would be greatly appreciate), as I'm after a pre-1881 gilded Victorian Crown as worn on caps.
Thank you. Vincent |
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No difference at all.
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Simon I've seen some on dealers sites stating as such. That's why i'm asking!
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The 'Victorian Crown' is in fact the Saint Edwards Crown same as that used by Queen Elizabeth the Second at her coronation. It is simply a representation of the same crown!
The Queen wears the 'Imperial State Crown' at the opening of Parliament, and this crown is also known as the 'Kings Crown' It is not known which crown Prince Charles will use on military badges when the Queen dies... |
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Perhaps some confusion with the flat topped "Jubilee" Crown, although I don't know why 1881 would figure?
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I am still looking for British Army cloth Formation, Regimental, Battalion, Company and other Unit sleeve badges, from 1980 onwards. |
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Find another dealer... the one making the statement clearly does not know his stuff, so I would be weary of spending hard earned money with them...
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I have a niggling thought that her son took over as CiC of the military and some regiments changed their crowns...?
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I'm sure I've read somewhere that its already been decided by MoD that there will be no change - in order to limit costs.
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A further point to debunk the myth of the Queen's and King's Crown: the first and last monarch to wear the "King's Crown" was a Queen. |
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"King's Crown" and "Queen's Crown" are however convenient shorthand terms amongst collectors. to identify a style of crown albeit not foolproof, eg "Queen's Crown" may be taken by some to signify one worn by Queen Victoria.
King's Crown, Jubilee Crown, Victorian Crown, Queen's Crown, Guelphic Crown, Durbar Crown etc - has anyone any suggestions for more accurate two or three word descriptions for the various types that badge collectors should use? |
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Where on earth did you get the notion that...
"The Tudor Crown (mistaken for the King's Crown) was introduced in the 1880's during the reign of Queen Victoria." |
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St Edward's Crown is the centrepiece of the Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom. Named after Saint Edward the Confessor, it has been traditionally used to crown English and British monarchs at their coronations since the 13th century. The Imperial State Crown has existed in various forms since the 15th century. The current version was made in 1937 and is worn by the monarch after a coronation (St Edward's Crown having been used to crown the monarch) and used at the State Openings of Parliament. The Tudor Crown, also known as the King's Crown or Imperial Crown, is a widely used symbol in heraldry of the United Kingdom. Officially it was used from 1902 to 1953 representing not only the British monarch personally, but also "the Crown", meaning the sovereign source of governmental authority. As long as I knew which was which the 'details' didn't bother me . .
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The flat topped crown I believe you are referring to found on cap badges worn in the QVC era was Queen Victoria’s Imperial State Crown made in 1838. The ‘myth’ (?) you refer to are rather a shorthand colloquial terminology for the St. Edward’s crown (QC) and Tudor crown (KC). Indeed the QVC as it is commonly referred to is just a more stylised shape to the St. Edward’s crown used by the current monarch. |
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100000%.
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