Help Please

[Peter Brydon]

The small diamond shaped buttons were found on a card of Kings Liverpool badges and someone had written at the side of them "OTC"

I am pretty sure they are nothing to do with the Kings or any Liverpool OTC but can anyone please tell me what they are ?

I cannot make out the writing around the front edges but they are marked "Sword make-made in England " on the back and there is a makers mark of crossed swords.

P.B.

[tonyb]

Hello Peter, I'm pretty sure Bill Tagg has a couple of these in his shop marked as OTC? Saw them on Friday.
To be honest I should have asked about them, as I have posted similar on the forum for ID in the past without any joy.
Here they are.
Cheers Tony.

'Clan na Gael':

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=267394.0

PJ

[Peter Brydon]

Thanks Peter,

Interesting where buttons "made in England" turn up. I knew there were some Irish Regiments in the American Civil War.

Tony,

I actually bought the buttons from Billy at the Liverpool Fair today although I had seen them a couple of weeks ago on his stall at the Preston Fair.

My buttons have what looks like an upright lion in the centre where yours have the Maid of Erin.



As I thought no connection to the Kings or OTC`s but still interesting.

Peter

Originally Posted by 8thfoot

Thanks Peter,

Interesting where buttons "made in England" turn up. I knew there were some Irish Regiments in the American Civil War.

Tony,

I actually bought the buttons from Billy at the Liverpool Fair today although I had seen them a couple of weeks ago on his stall at the Preston Fair.



As I thought no connection to the Kings or OTC`s but still interesting.

Peter

Peter,

Googling 'Clan na Gael' and/or 'Clann na nGael' seems to reveal how ubiquitous the term actually is.

I have now seen it used for the names of pipe bands, Irish dancing clubs, on a spoof Guinness label, in connection with the rise of the Irish Republican movement, ad infinitum.

Seems to be a little difficult to pin down precisely as it is so widely used.

Regards,

Peter.

[Peter Brydon]

Could not find anything on the web for" sword make " buttons but this is an interesting resource:

http://www.ukdfd.net/pages/buttonsntoz.html#anchortop

Peter, Thanks for your latest post, I wish I could remember where I read about the Irish Regiments in the American Civil War.

Peter

[ebro]

Peter,
The button from the civil war also has the lion on it. Whether they can be described as Irish Regiments is debatable.
Eddie

[Peter Brydon]

Thanks Eddie,

I had noted that and that the button did not come from the battlefield location but was found at a "site in Town" which is rather an interesting phrase to use.



I see what you mean about regiments in the American Civil war being described as Irish but some Americans seem to consider them to have been Irish Regiments :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Brigade_(U.S.)

Peter
( There is a wilkipedia entry for the Irish Brigade but when I copy and paste the link it does not take you to the same entry )

[tonyb]

Good spot Peter did'nt notice the different central device on your buttons!
Tony.

Originally Posted by 8thfoot

Could find anything on the web for" sword make " buttons but this is an interesting resource:

http://www.ukdfd.net/pages/buttonsntoz.html#anchortop

Peter for your latest post, I wish I could remember where I read about the Irish Regiments in the American Civil War.

Peter

Peter,

Found a couple of references to 'Sword Make':

http://people.smartchat.net.au/~gree...Samplebook.htm

http://www.buttoncrs.com/backmarks.html

Peter.

[Peter Brydon]

Peter,
Incredible, thanks again.

Peter

[ebro]

Peter,
It is amazing how a button can lead to sush an interesting thread.
Eddie