London Units

[L1A1]

Hello all

I am sure some of the learned people on this forum can point me in the right direction. I am currently researching Army units that are considered London units.

The battalions that made up the London Regiment have been well covered in this forum, as have the Yeomanry units. I have been able to find out about the current day units from the British Army website.

I am trying to find out about London TA units in the period between the 1st World War until the 90's. I am also interested in finding out if any regular regiments (apart from the Royal Fusiliers) were also considered "London" For example the Middlesex Regt.

If anyone can point out websites, books or Army lists that can assist me with finding out the units, it would be most appreciated

[Alan O]

The KRRC and Rifle Brigade were most certainly London Regts.

[L1A1]

Thanks for that Alan, I thought they might be seeing the links with London Regt battalions.

I am interested to find out if there were any supporting arms units from London during both wars. There doesn't seem to be much information on that .

[Alan O]

There were London Signal regts, RE and RA.

The 25th Bn (Cyclists) City of London regt re-roled to RSIGNALS in 1920. The 4th Bn the London Regt were gunners post WW1 amongst others.

[L1A1]

Thanks for that Alan. it certainly is pointing me in the right way. Do you think that writing to the individual corps museums will provide any information?

thanks once again

[Phil2M]

Hi guys,

Don't forget that there are also the Inns of Court Regt, Honourable Artillery Company (Infantry and Artillery) and the London University OTC.

Cheers

Phil

[Sonofacqms]

There were also many VTC (Volunteer Training Corps) units based in London during WWI, some are shown in Kipling and King, but there are other units still that are not recorded to my knowledge.

Rob

[Peter Brydon]

All Territorial Divisions had arms and services in addition to infantry. The Territorial arms and services from the City of London and the County of London are listed in the Territorial Year book for 1909 ( the first and I think only year of issue ).Some of these units might not have been reformed after WW1 but many would have been.

See attached scan for some examples of the units involved.Might be worth looking at The Territorial Artillery by Lichfield for London R.A. T.A. units.

A lot of Territorial Associations have published booklets about the units they administer and it might be worth looking for any booklets published by the London Territorial Associations.

P.B.

[L1A1]

Thank you gents, especially 8th Foot, you have definitely pointed in the right direction.

many thanks

L1A1

[L1A1]

Whilst searching for information on this subject, I came across this website which I found of great assistance

http://www.britishmilitaryhistory.co...s.php?nid=1&st

[L1A1]

So far, this is what my research has come up with. If anyone can fill in any spaces, correct anything or anything like that, it would be most appreciated. (I apologise for the layout but I just copied and pasted it from an Excel spreadsheet - too large to put it in as an attachment).

Artillery

HONOURABLE ARTILLERY COMPANY 1538 - PRESENT
1ST LONDON ARTILLERY VOLUNTEERS, RA
2ND MIDDLESEX ARTILLERY VOLUNTEERS, RA
5TH (LONDON) BRIGADE, RFA 1914 - 1918
10TH MEDIUM REGT (ROYAL FUSILIERS) RA
32ND (7TH CITY OF LONDON) SEARCHLIGHT REGT RA 1941 -1947
58TH (MIDDLESEX) SEARCH LIGHT REGT RA
60TH (MIDDLESEX) SEARCH LIGHT REGT, RA
64TH (LONDON) MEDIUM REGT, RA 1941 -1946
117TH (7TH LONDON) FIELD REGT, RA
51ST (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BRIGADE RA 1938
52nd (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BRIGADE RA
53rd (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BRIGADE RA
54th (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BRIGADE RA
Q BTY, THE SURREY YEOMANRY, ROYAL ARTILLERY (TA) 1969
RHQ, 106 REGIMENT, ROYAL ARTILLERY CURRENT
289 (V) PARACHUTE BTY, ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY 1968
289(v) CDO BTY, ROYAL ARTILLERY 1977

Cavalry

THE CITY OF LONDON YEOMANRY (THE ROUGH RIDERS)
THE FIRST COUNTY OF LONDON YEOMANRY (THE DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE'S HUSSARS)
THE SECOND COUNTY OF LONDON YEOMANRY (THE WESTMINSTER DRAGOONS)
THE THIRD COUNTY OF LONDON YEOMANRY (THE SHARPSHOOTERS)
RHQ, THE ROYAL YEOMANRY
C SQUADRON, KENT AND SHARPSHOOTERS YEOMANRY), ROYAL YEOMANRY
W SQUADRON,(THE WESTMINSTER DRAGOONS), ROYAL YEOMANRY
THE BAND OF THE ROYAL YEOMANRY

Infantry

HONOURABLE ARTILLERY COMPANY, INFANTRY 1538 - PRESENT
1ST BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS) 1914-1918
2ND BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS) 1914 - 1918
3RD BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS) 1914-1918
4TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS)
5TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (LONDON RIFLE BRIGADE) 1914 - 1918
6TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (CITY OF LONDON RIFLES) 1914-1918
7TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS)
8TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (POST OFFICE RIFLES) 1914-1918
9TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (QUEEN VICTORIA'S RIFLES) 1914 - 1918
10TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (THE HACKNEY RIFLES) 1914 - 1918
11TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (THE FINSBURY RIFLES) 1914 - 1918
12TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (THE RANGERS) 1914 -1918
13TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (KENSINGTON REGIMENT) 1914 - 1918
14TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (LONDON SCOTTISH) 1914 - 1918
15TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT PRINCE OF WALES OWN CIVIL SERVICE RIFLES) 1914 -1918
16TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (QUEEN'S WESTMINSTER RIFLES) 1914 - 1918
16TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (QUEEN'S WESTMINSTERS AND CIVIL SERVICE)
17TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (POPLAR AND STEPNEY RIFLES 1914 -1918
18TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (LONDON IRISH RIFLES)
20TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (BLACKHEATH AND WOOLWICH) 1914 -1918
21ST BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (1ST SURREY RIFLES) 1914 - 1918
22ND BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (THE QUEENS) 1914-1918
23RD BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT 1914 - 1918
24TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (THE QUEENS) 1914 - 1918
25TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (CYCLISTS BTN) 1914 - 1918
27TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (INNS OF COURT OTC) 1914 -1918
28TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ARTISTS RIFLES) 1914-1918
33RD BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT ( THE RIFLE BRIGADE)
34TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (KINGS ROYAL RIFLE CORPS) 1914 - 1918
THE MIDDLESEX REGIMENT 1881 - 1966
THE QUEENS REGIMENT 1966 - 1992
THE PRINCESS OF WALES ROYAL REGIMENT 1992 - PRESENT
HOME COUNTIES BRIGADE 1956 - 1960
THE ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT) 1914 - 1918
38TH BTN, ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT) 1914- 1918
39th BTN, ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT) 1914- 1918
40th BTN, ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT) 1914- 1918
42ND BTN, ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT) 1914- 1918
25TH BTN (FRONTIERSMEN) THE ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT)
13TH (WANDSWORTH) BTN, THE EAST SURREY REGIMENT 1914- 1918
THE INNS OF COURT REGIMENT
THE EAST SURREY REGIMENT
THE QUEENS SURREY REGIMENT
4TH BTN,THE ROYAL GREEN JACKETS
F COY, G COY, 7TH BTN, THE RIFLES CURRENT
10TH BTN, THE PARACHUTE REGIMENT DISBANDED
4TH BTN, THE PARACHUTE REGIMENT CURRENT
THE LONDON REGIMENT CURRENT
HQ COY
A COY - THE LONDON SCOTTISH
B COY - THE QUEENS REGIMENT (PWRR CAP BADGE)
C COY - THECITY OF LONDON FUSILIERS
D COY - THE LONDON IRISH RIFLES

Special Forces

21 SPECIAL AIR SERVICE REGIMENT

Engineers


1ST MIDDLESEX ENGINEER VOLUNTEERS VICTORIAN
2ND LONDON DIVISION TELEGRAPH COMPANY, RE 1908
26TH (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BTN, RE (LONDON ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS) 1941-1946
27th (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BTN, RE (LONDON ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS)
102nd (London) Army Troops Company, Royal Engineers 1930
No. 2 (Great Western) Railway Construction Company, Royal Engineers
No. 3 (Great Western) Railway Construction Company, Royal Engineers
Headquarters, Railway Stores Group, Royal Engineers
No. 1 (Southern) Railway Stores Company, Royal Engineers
RHQ, 101 (CITY OF LONDON) ENGINEER REGIMENT (EOD) ROYAL ENGINEERS CURRENT
SQDN HQ, 131 INDEPENDENT COMMANDO SQDN, ROYAL ENGINEERS CURRENT
SQDN HQ, 135 INDEPENDENT GEOGRAPHIC SQUADRON, ROYAL ENGINEERS CURRENT

MEDICAL SQDN HQ, 144 (PARA) MED SQDN (V) ROYAL ARMY MEDICAL CORPS CURRENT
RHQ, 256 FIELD HOSPITAL, RAMC CURRENT

Supporting Corps

1ST LONDON DIVISIONAL TRAIN, RASC 1924
2nd Cavalry Divisional Detachment, Royal Army Ordnance Corps (11 1930
RHQ, 151 TRANSPORT REGIMENT, ROYAL LOGISTIC CORPS CURRENT
151(GREATER LONDON) REGT, ROYAL CORPS OF TRANSPORT 1969
562 PARACHUTE SQDN, RASC 1947
562 PARCHUTE SQDN, RCT
16TH AIRBORNE DIVISIONAL COLUMN, RASC (TA) 1947
562 PARACHUTE COMBAT SUPPLIES PLATOON, RAOC 1967
562 PARACHUTE WORKSHOP, REME
44 PARACHUTE ORDNANCE FIELD PARK, RAOC 1967

Signals

No. 1 (London) Company, 1st Corps Signals, Royal Corps of Signals (15) 1930
No. 1 (City of London) Company, Lines of Communication Signals
No. 1 (City of London) Base Signal Company,
Lines of Communications Signals, Royal Corps of Signals
2nd Cavalry (Middlesex Yeomanry) Divisional Signals,
26TH (LONDON) AIR DEFENCE BRIGADE SIGNALS, ROYAL CORPS OF SIGNALS 1930
27th (London) Air-Defence Brigade Signals, Royal Corps of Signals
SIGNALS RHQ, 31 SIGNALS REGIMENT, CORPS OF ROYAL SIGNALS 1969
39 SIGNALS REGIMENT, CORPS OF ROYAL SIGNALS 1971
LONDON CORPS SIGNALS 1935
44 PARACHUTE SIGNALS TROOP, ROYAL CORPS OF SIGNALS 1968
71ST (CITY OF LONDON) YEOMANRY SIGNAL REGIMENT (VOLUNTEERS) RS CURRENT
63 (SPECIAL FORCES) SIGNAL SQUADRON, ROYAL SIGNALS
47TH LONDON DIVISIONAL SIGNALS, ROYAL SIGNALS 1941 -1947

OTC UNIVERSITY OF LONDON OTC CURRENT
THE HARROW RIFLES

Military Police

1 PARACHUTE PROVOST PLATOON, RMP 1968
253 PROVOST COMPANY (V) RMP CURRENT

INTELLIGENCE 3 MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BTN, IC CURRENT

Originally Posted by L1A1

So far, this is what my research has come up with. If anyone can fill in any spaces, correct anything or anything like that, it would be most appreciated. (I apologise for the layout but I just copied and pasted it from an Excel spreadsheet - too large to put it in as an attachment).

Artillery

HONOURABLE ARTILLERY COMPANY 1538 - PRESENT
1ST LONDON ARTILLERY VOLUNTEERS, RA
2ND MIDDLESEX ARTILLERY VOLUNTEERS, RA
5TH (LONDON) BRIGADE, RFA 1914 - 1918
10TH MEDIUM REGT (ROYAL FUSILIERS) RA
32ND (7TH CITY OF LONDON) SEARCHLIGHT REGT RA 1941 -1947
58TH (MIDDLESEX) SEARCH LIGHT REGT RA
60TH (MIDDLESEX) SEARCH LIGHT REGT, RA
64TH (LONDON) MEDIUM REGT, RA 1941 -1946
117TH (7TH LONDON) FIELD REGT, RA
51ST (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BRIGADE RA 1938
52nd (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BRIGADE RA
53rd (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BRIGADE RA
54th (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BRIGADE RA
Q BTY, THE SURREY YEOMANRY, ROYAL ARTILLERY (TA) 1969
RHQ, 106 REGIMENT, ROYAL ARTILLERY CURRENT
289 (V) PARACHUTE BTY, ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY 1968
289(v) CDO BTY, ROYAL ARTILLERY 1977

Cavalry

THE CITY OF LONDON YEOMANRY (THE ROUGH RIDERS)
THE FIRST COUNTY OF LONDON YEOMANRY (THE DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE'S HUSSARS)
THE SECOND COUNTY OF LONDON YEOMANRY (THE WESTMINSTER DRAGOONS)
THE THIRD COUNTY OF LONDON YEOMANRY (THE SHARPSHOOTERS)
RHQ, THE ROYAL YEOMANRY
C SQUADRON, KENT AND SHARPSHOOTERS YEOMANRY), ROYAL YEOMANRY
W SQUADRON,(THE WESTMINSTER DRAGOONS), ROYAL YEOMANRY
THE BAND OF THE ROYAL YEOMANRY

Infantry

HONOURABLE ARTILLERY COMPANY, INFANTRY 1538 - PRESENT
1ST BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS) 1914-1918
2ND BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS) 1914 - 1918
3RD BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS) 1914-1918
4TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS)
5TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (LONDON RIFLE BRIGADE) 1914 - 1918
6TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (CITY OF LONDON RIFLES) 1914-1918
7TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ROYAL FUSILIERS)
8TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (POST OFFICE RIFLES) 1914-1918
9TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (QUEEN VICTORIA'S RIFLES) 1914 - 1918
10TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (THE HACKNEY RIFLES) 1914 - 1918
11TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (THE FINSBURY RIFLES) 1914 - 1918
12TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (THE RANGERS) 1914 -1918
13TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (KENSINGTON REGIMENT) 1914 - 1918
14TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (LONDON SCOTTISH) 1914 - 1918
15TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT PRINCE OF WALES OWN CIVIL SERVICE RIFLES) 1914 -1918
16TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (QUEEN'S WESTMINSTER RIFLES) 1914 - 1918
16TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (QUEEN'S WESTMINSTERS AND CIVIL SERVICE)
17TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (POPLAR AND STEPNEY RIFLES 1914 -1918
18TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (LONDON IRISH RIFLES)
20TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (BLACKHEATH AND WOOLWICH) 1914 -1918
21ST BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (1ST SURREY RIFLES) 1914 - 1918
22ND BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (THE QUEENS) 1914-1918
23RD BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT 1914 - 1918
24TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (THE QUEENS) 1914 - 1918
25TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (CYCLISTS BTN) 1914 - 1918
27TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (INNS OF COURT OTC) 1914 -1918
28TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (ARTISTS RIFLES) 1914-1918
33RD BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT ( THE RIFLE BRIGADE)
34TH BTN, THE LONDON REGIMENT (KINGS ROYAL RIFLE CORPS) 1914 - 1918
THE MIDDLESEX REGIMENT 1881 - 1966
THE QUEENS REGIMENT 1966 - 1992
THE PRINCESS OF WALES ROYAL REGIMENT 1992 - PRESENT
HOME COUNTIES BRIGADE 1956 - 1960
THE ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT) 1914 - 1918
38TH BTN, ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT) 1914- 1918
39th BTN, ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT) 1914- 1918
40th BTN, ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT) 1914- 1918
42ND BTN, ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT) 1914- 1918
25TH BTN (FRONTIERSMEN) THE ROYAL FUSILIERS (CITY OF LONDON REGIMENT)
13TH (WANDSWORTH) BTN, THE EAST SURREY REGIMENT 1914- 1918
THE INNS OF COURT REGIMENT
THE EAST SURREY REGIMENT
THE QUEENS SURREY REGIMENT
4TH BTN,THE ROYAL GREEN JACKETS
F COY, G COY, 7TH BTN, THE RIFLES CURRENT
10TH BTN, THE PARACHUTE REGIMENT DISBANDED
4TH BTN, THE PARACHUTE REGIMENT CURRENT
THE LONDON REGIMENT CURRENT
HQ COY
A COY - THE LONDON SCOTTISH
B COY - THE QUEENS REGIMENT (PWRR CAP BADGE)
C COY - THECITY OF LONDON FUSILIERS
D COY - THE LONDON IRISH RIFLES

Special Forces

21 SPECIAL AIR SERVICE REGIMENT

Engineers


1ST MIDDLESEX ENGINEER VOLUNTEERS VICTORIAN
2ND LONDON DIVISION TELEGRAPH COMPANY, RE 1908
26TH (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BTN, RE (LONDON ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS) 1941-1946
27th (LONDON) ANTI AIRCRAFT BTN, RE (LONDON ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS)
102nd (London) Army Troops Company, Royal Engineers 1930
No. 2 (Great Western) Railway Construction Company, Royal Engineers
No. 3 (Great Western) Railway Construction Company, Royal Engineers
Headquarters, Railway Stores Group, Royal Engineers
No. 1 (Southern) Railway Stores Company, Royal Engineers
RHQ, 101 (CITY OF LONDON) ENGINEER REGIMENT (EOD) ROYAL ENGINEERS CURRENT
SQDN HQ, 131 INDEPENDENT COMMANDO SQDN, ROYAL ENGINEERS CURRENT
SQDN HQ, 135 INDEPENDENT GEOGRAPHIC SQUADRON, ROYAL ENGINEERS CURRENT

MEDICAL SQDN HQ, 144 (PARA) MED SQDN (V) ROYAL ARMY MEDICAL CORPS CURRENT
RHQ, 256 FIELD HOSPITAL, RAMC CURRENT

Supporting Corps

1ST LONDON DIVISIONAL TRAIN, RASC 1924
2nd Cavalry Divisional Detachment, Royal Army Ordnance Corps (11 1930
RHQ, 151 TRANSPORT REGIMENT, ROYAL LOGISTIC CORPS CURRENT
151(GREATER LONDON) REGT, ROYAL CORPS OF TRANSPORT 1969
562 PARACHUTE SQDN, RASC 1947
562 PARCHUTE SQDN, RCT
16TH AIRBORNE DIVISIONAL COLUMN, RASC (TA) 1947
562 PARACHUTE COMBAT SUPPLIES PLATOON, RAOC 1967
562 PARACHUTE WORKSHOP, REME
44 PARACHUTE ORDNANCE FIELD PARK, RAOC 1967

Signals

No. 1 (London) Company, 1st Corps Signals, Royal Corps of Signals (15) 1930
No. 1 (City of London) Company, Lines of Communication Signals
No. 1 (City of London) Base Signal Company,
Lines of Communications Signals, Royal Corps of Signals
2nd Cavalry (Middlesex Yeomanry) Divisional Signals,
26TH (LONDON) AIR DEFENCE BRIGADE SIGNALS, ROYAL CORPS OF SIGNALS 1930
27th (London) Air-Defence Brigade Signals, Royal Corps of Signals
SIGNALS RHQ, 31 SIGNALS REGIMENT, CORPS OF ROYAL SIGNALS 1969
39 SIGNALS REGIMENT, CORPS OF ROYAL SIGNALS 1971
LONDON CORPS SIGNALS 1935
44 PARACHUTE SIGNALS TROOP, ROYAL CORPS OF SIGNALS 1968
71ST (CITY OF LONDON) YEOMANRY SIGNAL REGIMENT (VOLUNTEERS) RS CURRENT
63 (SPECIAL FORCES) SIGNAL SQUADRON, ROYAL SIGNALS
47TH LONDON DIVISIONAL SIGNALS, ROYAL SIGNALS 1941 -1947

OTC UNIVERSITY OF LONDON OTC CURRENT
THE HARROW RIFLES

Military Police

1 PARACHUTE PROVOST PLATOON, RMP 1968
253 PROVOST COMPANY (V) RMP CURRENT

INTELLIGENCE 3 MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BTN, IC CURRENT

L1A1,

One that does not appear to be on your list (apologies if I have overlooked it): 10th (3rd City of London) Battalion The Royal Fusiliers (69th Searchlight Regiment) (TA) 458th Coy.

Here is a photo of Cpl West, of said unit (photo taken 1939):

Cpl West.jpg

Regards,

Peter.

[fougasse1940]

10th (City of London) Battalion, The Parachute Regiment (Territorial Army) 1947, re-designated 10 PARA (TA) a year later. In 1967 upon formation of the TAVR becoming 10 PARA(V).

HQ Coy - Chelsea
1 Coy - White City
2 Coy - Croydon and Blackheath
3 Coy - Finchley
4 Coy - Chelsea
5 (HSF) Coy - Chelsea
Support Coy - Aldershot
Anti-Tank Pln - Portsmouth
Mortar Pln - Leigh-on-Sea

Disbanded in 1999.

Rgds,

Thomas.

[L1A1]

Peter and Thomas

many thanks for taking the time to reply and provide some additional information, particularly about 10 Para.

I am currently looking for information about any London based units from the Royal Pioneer Corps and the Army Catering Corps. I know that personnel from the latter would have been attached to various other units in London, but was there a parent unit for them in London?

thanks once again