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Old 14-06-21, 04:30 AM
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Nice little collection, were they marked and dated? don't suppose there are pics of the insides?

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Old 18-07-21, 12:56 PM
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Default my trade/prize cloth badges...

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...have, during the prolonged UK lockdown, finally managed to mount my trade/prize cloth badges on to the one display frame...some of these are common, some are not so common...the senior NCO Medic (both bullion and cloth), the Volunteer Medic (both bullion and cloth), Matron, 'HG', 'TM', unofficial Bandsman, Scout (both First and Second class), Regimental and Battalion Best Shot are the only examples of the badge that I have seen in 40+ years of collecting...(8{
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Old 18-07-21, 11:48 PM
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...have, during the prolonged UK lockdown, finally managed to mount my trade/prize cloth badges on to the one display frame...some of these are common, some are not so common...the senior NCO Medic (both bullion and cloth), the Volunteer Medic (both bullion and cloth), Matron, 'HG', 'TM', unofficial Bandsman, Scout (both First and Second class), Regimental and Battalion Best Shot are the only examples of the badge that I have seen in 40+ years of collecting...(8{
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can you tell me what the different Medic badges are ? IE the colour back ground and circle colour ??
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Old 19-07-21, 12:32 AM
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Nice collection Martin.

The trench mortar personnel of 3 Aust Div were instructed to wear the TM in wreath above the cuff of the left sleeve in July 1916.

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Old 19-07-21, 02:45 AM
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Really Nice Martin
wondering did the AFC also wear the propeller patch in Martins display?
also, did the Aussies wear the scout patches? they wore the metal version??
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Old 19-07-21, 02:49 PM
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...the Third Division memo for the 'TM' in a wreath, in worsted, is attached...the various standing orders for the other badges for bombers are also attached - this must be the only skill-at-arms badge that Officers in the A.I.F. ever wore(?)...the Army Medic badges are :-
Senior NCO Medic, dress: black background, gilt bullion circle
Senior NCO Medic, service dress: khaki background, subdued circle
Volunteer Medic, dress: black background, silver bullion circle
Volunteer Medic, service dress: black background, white circle
Matron, service dress: red background, yellow circle
the remaining Medic badges have a black background with a yellow circle - one is appliqué manufactured; the others are embroided...
one has a closely trimmed khaki background with a yellow circle - in embroided...

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Old 19-07-21, 10:22 PM
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Thanks for the info

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Old 20-07-21, 01:23 AM
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Nice collection Martin.

The trench mortar personnel of 3 Aust Div were instructed to wear the TM in wreath above the cuff of the left sleeve in July 1916.

Keith
Right arm, yes, I stand corrected.

The AASC(MT) drivers serving with 10th Field Ambulance AAMC wore the letters MT in wreath on the upper right arm.

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Old 20-07-21, 02:24 PM
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...ahhhhhh...you have made me aware of an unknown, unknown - I didn't know that I didn't know that the AAMC wore the British 'MT' trade badge...will have to throw away a couple of the Regimental Bomber bagdes in order to make some space on my display board...(8{
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Old 20-07-21, 08:49 PM
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...here are a couple of sepia photos from my collection...one shows an AIF Officer wearing a skill-at-arms badge: Bomber - quite likely an instructor at an Army/Corps bombing school...would be interested if anybody has photos of officers wearing this, or other, trade badges...the second photo shows a bunch of 3rd Div. buglers, some of which are wearing the (worsted) double powder-horn as identification...this item was a British Light Infantry senior NCO item so it is here being worn for a purpose for which it was never intended...the Corporal, and a couple of others, are wearing the correct (metal) double bugler's badge - shows how non-regulation members of the AIF could often be...
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Old 20-07-21, 11:33 PM
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Old 22-07-21, 03:54 PM
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...another couple of sepia images showing non-regulation insignia being worn within the A.I.F. - the bugler looks as though he's also wearing the double powder-horn distinguishing badge, in worsted...the bloke wearing the Marksman badge above his rank was possibly on a combined course with other British soldiers and so was issued a gilding metal trade badge on completion...however, even the Marksman skill-at-arms badge was never authorised by any A.I.F. Standing Order...as far as unit-specific distinction badges, the only ones ordered to be worn by A.I.F. personnel was the "General Service" badge, as early as March 1916, yet there are many photos of this regulation being bypassed...which means that all others were either discontinued, or always unofficial - in both cases, non-regulation...and would that include the various Light Horse insignia being worn - both by the 13th in France and by all others out in the Mediterranean theatres?...(8{
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Old 22-07-21, 05:40 PM
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The crossed rifles badge appears to have been worn by instructors at the Australian Corps Lewis Gun School.
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Old 23-07-21, 02:24 PM
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...another couple of sepia images showing non-regulation insignia being worn within the A.I.F. - the bugler looks as though he's also wearing the double powder-horn distinguishing badge, in worsted...the bloke wearing the Marksman badge above his rank was possibly on a combined course with other British soldiers and so was issued a gilding metal trade badge on completion...however, even the Marksman skill-at-arms badge was never authorised by any A.I.F. Standing Order...as far as unit-specific distinction badges, the only ones ordered to be worn by A.I.F. personnel was the "General Service" badge, as early as March 1916, yet there are many photos of this regulation being bypassed...which means that all others were either discontinued, or always unofficial - in both cases, non-regulation...and would that include the various Light Horse insignia being worn - both by the 13th in France and by all others out in the Mediterranean theatres?...(8{
Of course colour patches were authorised from March 1915.

Other than what is recorded in the AIF Orders, I believe the initial use of proficiency and/or trade badges was brought over from the Standing Orders for Dress and Clothing, 1912 which was in use in the AMF at the time.
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Old 23-07-21, 08:31 PM
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...some later AIF orders where the addition of the 'RAA' scroll badge was authorised for wear - I read that the Heavy Artillery personnel enlisted (almost to a man) in the AIF which may be why they were allowed to maintain official/authorised use of their badge...so, as I understand it, from 25th March 1916, and later the inclusion for the Seige Artillery from the 28th January 1918, no other distinctive unit badges were regulation within the AIF - however such orders were regularly ignored, as evidenced within the photographic record...these RAA scroll badges were also manufactued in the UK - have collected several variations/finishes of them...military metal badges during the Great War period were authorised in oxidised copper finish for the AIF, and gilt for the Australian Military Force - even the skill-at-arms/trade/prize badges, which are quite rare to secure...however, it should be noted that the AIF was not merely an overseas copy of the domestic AMF...(8{
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