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Old 03-07-21, 10:39 AM
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Hi Alex I have got to take them out of the frame to put the new ones in so when I do will post the pictures
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Old 01-08-21, 03:58 PM
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Pass w/m look ok from front but poor definition at back and on blades
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Old 10-09-21, 07:10 PM
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Lambournes / Birmingham
It's rough enough but brazing voided
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Old 10-09-21, 07:47 PM
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It's rough enough but brazing voided
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A fine example.

The general quality of most Lambourne badges can certainly be accurately described by that adjective.

The Essex is in fact one of the very few BM badges made by them which has braze holes.
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It's rough enough but brazing voided
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An original badge to my knowledge. Frankly, I think the WD should have taken some of these makers and their crudities to account. Lambourne should have been ashamed to turn out something like this.

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Old 11-09-21, 04:22 PM
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Thanks for the response to the lambourne
but I have noticed I failed to put up the
officer badge pictures for Alex
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Old 11-09-21, 08:07 PM
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Default W/M Essex badges

The W/M Essex badges with blades are fakes.

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Old 12-09-21, 06:16 AM
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Hi Neil
No problem, thanks for posting the close-up pics. This is a strange one...The front quality is quite good but the rear is odd. The lugs are definitely not standard and I haven't seen an officer badge with lugs like that before. I have been trying to put together a collection of pre-brigade infantry officer badges for more than 10 years now so have looked at 100's in detail. The oblong on the rear is odd. I would guess this may have been made in India or Egypt to replace a lost badge, so more emphasis was put on the quality of the front. That oblong may be where there was a Gaunt or Firmin maker's tablet on the original badge used to make the mold?
I do like the badge though, interesting find.
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Old 29-01-22, 01:58 PM
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I am quite happy with this but it's construction
is different from my other regimental castle
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Old 29-01-22, 02:09 PM
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Nice badge but very expensive at nearly £60.
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Old 29-01-22, 02:44 PM
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don't disagree with that
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Old 29-01-22, 03:05 PM
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A different manufacturer.


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Greetings Neil.

Different design being that this was the 1st issue pattern of The Essex Regiment badges, circa 1881.

The Castle and Key insignia were awarded to Regiments that had taken part in The Siege of Gibraltar, 1779-1783, which included The 56th.

The original castle design, (as on your latest badge) was the Castle of Gibraltar, a Castle that was shown on some other Regiment's badges, Suffolk and Dorset for example, albeit Essex was slightly different in design compared to other the other Regiments, showing a small central turret.

As you are probably aware, a number of Essex VB Glengarry badges show a two tower castle, as do early Helmet Plates and HP centres.

Later patterns depicted a standardised castle with three more distinct turrets.

As I understand it, there was a War Office Order, dated January 1903, which specified the standardisation of the Castle to depict the Castle shown in The Charter of Queen Isabella of Spain in 1502, i.e a castle with three individual turrets.

I hope that assists you and I think I've got it right, but a bucket of Guinness didn't help the old grey cells.

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Old 30-01-22, 10:12 AM
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Morning Brian
Perhaps a combination of my poor wording and your guinness took us on a tangent, it was the construction of the badge compared to my other pre standardised castle badge, best seen on the reverse, but I had not heard of queen isabella's castle so something was learnt and it maybe useful for others reading the thread.
Thanks Neil
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Old 30-01-22, 10:41 PM
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Greetings Neil.

No Guinness thus far, so here I go.

The construction of the rear is fairly standard on early badges, insomuch that white metal overlays that were to be fixed to the front were attached by, what I believe in most cases, was a braze of some description.

The holes/vents that are on the rear of the badge were made to let escaping steam/gases escape from the fixings.

I can see from your earlier posting of this pattern badge that it also has brazing vents, but are much smaller and covered with a larger plate.

I suspect that as expertise improved, smaller vents were used and eventually reached a point where vents were not needed at all.

This is apparent on the rear view of some of your other badges which have white metal overlays.

Hopefully this is the answer you're looking for.

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