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Old 08-03-21, 12:15 PM
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Hi there,

Received today as small group of souvenirs from a former Royal Navy / Fleet Airm Arm fighter pilot, who served during the second half of ww2 & a few years post-ww2. Among others, this small size (5,7 cm wide) RN pilot badge, with pin on the back.
Could anyone please shed some light on what this exactly is (a bit small compared to what I can observe on pics, for the ones worn on chest), where worn on the jacket (if used on uniform), and time window when possibly worn (ww2 / post ww2)?

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JD
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Old 08-03-21, 12:19 PM
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Worn on sleeve or mess dress.
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Old 08-03-21, 12:31 PM
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for your quick reply. I always thought that the sleeve insignia were stitched. I have learned something today.

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JD
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Old 08-03-21, 03:38 PM
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That appears to be of recent manufacture, what is the pilots name?
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Hi there,

Received today as small group of souvenirs from a former Royal Navy / Fleet Airm Arm fighter pilot, who served during the second half of ww2 & a few years post-ww2. Among others, this small size (5,7 cm wide) RN pilot badge, with pin on the back.
Could anyone please shed some light on what this exactly is (a bit small compared to what I can observe on pics, for the ones worn on chest), where worn on the jacket (if used on uniform), and time window when possibly worn (ww2 / post ww2)?

Thanks & Best Regards,

JD
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Old 08-03-21, 05:36 PM
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The pilot is identified: T.A. Rickell

Who's path in RN ww2 was, according to the RN Navy Lists (I only have ww2 lists):

October 1943: not listed.
December 1943, April 1944: Midshipman (A) - Seniority: 20.9.1943
October 1944: Acting Sub-Lt (A) - Seniority: 20.3.1944
April-July 1945: Sub-Lt (A) Squadron 1850 - Seniority: 20.9.1944
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Old 08-03-21, 08:33 PM
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With a pin back indicates that they were worn on the chest of the white tropical jacket. Badges worn on the sleeve of the jacket were stitched in place.
To me they look WW2 production and I would be happy to have them in my collection as such.
It is interesting to note that the 1938 Naval Dress Regulations say that the badge is that of an albatross which may give insight into the eagle/albatross debate of air force and early RNAS badges????
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Old 08-03-21, 08:46 PM
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Hi Barry,

Thank you for your input. Was initially actually guessing that the pin was there to allow easier removal of the badge, when uniform cleaning time comes. Typical practice during warm time periods, or in warm areas.
I can read from Squadron 1850 history, that after Malta, it was moved to SE Asia operational area. This means tropical areas & clothes.
Rickell was awarded the Burma star, for sure, so your view point on this badge sounds to me very consistent with Rickell’s assignments.

All the best,

JD
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Old 08-03-21, 10:38 PM
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Some information & pics of T. Rickell found on line:

1849 Squadron:

Visible on a couple of pics: https://www.hms-vengeance.co.uk/abrief.htm

1850 Squadron:

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....m#.YEahvaRPclQ

Here visible on the sixth pic from the bottom of this page: http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....l#.YEajv6RPclQ
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It could well be that unfortunately this pilot officer died in a plane accident, in 1955:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_525

https://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1955.htm

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Great stuff, thanks. I have a Fleet Air Arm group to an HL Watkins but I have no idea what squadron he was in. He also has a Burma Star so Far East, but that is all I know.
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Hi Alex,

Thanks. I will try to have a look after your man’s path in my copy of the navy lists, and will let you know.

Cheers,

JD
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Old 09-03-21, 03:16 PM
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Alex,

here is what I found for HL Watkins (not checked all lists, only the ones below listed):

HL Watkins - RNVR

December 1940: Lt - HMS Chestnut - Seniority: 31.8.40
April 1941: Lt - HMS Lucifer - Seniority: 31.8.40
February 1942: Lt - HMS Lord Melchett - Seniority: 31.8.40
February 1943: Lt - HMS Hannibal - Seniority: 31.8.40
February 1944: Lt (E) - HMS Ukussa - Seniority: 31.8.40
April 1945: Lt (E) - HMS Bherunda - Seniority: 31.8.40

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