Liverpool Pals

[KLR]

I think I have the full sequence of Liverpool Pals (cap) badges sorted out;

Silver “presentation badges” (London & Chester HMs)
Offcer’s bronze SD, blades (bronze ones with loops are OSD collar badges)
ORs GM/bronzed solid cast, loops
ORs brass solid cast, loops (probably a variation on the above)
ORs GM/bronzed die cast, loops
ORs GM die struck, loops
ORs GM die struck, slider

(does anyone know of any others ?)

(the looped pattern was sealed in 1915, the slidered pattern in 1917)

The silver ones are made by Elkington & Co.
What I’d like to know is whether anyone has ever come across an OSD with makers names on, or any of the Other Rank’s with makers names on ???
(I wouldn’t be necessarily surprised if there are none of the latter)
thanks
Julian

[Jibba Jabba]

Have you noticed the recent influx of reproductions of the bronze badges? Ive seen those with vertical placed loops and with blades. There are also those plain silly white metal badges.

Ive noted a gilt badge, I assume when you say GM you mean Gilded Metal which is in fact brass suitable for guilding. The example I have seen has gold plate and I wasnt sure it was original.

Arctic Medals has one exactly like it on his list right now.

http://www.arcticmedals.com/catalog/...12/5031306.htm

The only example I have in my collection is the silver London. It used to be a rare badge up until Bosleys put an example in almost every one of their sales.

[KLR]

Yes, I'm not sure / convinced about these "gilt" ones, dubious at the moment but prepared to be enlightened. Yes, loads of fakes about too (there's one "luged" one that appears every week, sells then reappears !),
I use the WO ACD terms GM and GS, defined (metallurgically) in about 1897 (but don't have ref in front of me).
Many of the silver ones have been brooched, often with names engraved on the back. The one you referred to appears to be brooched too.

[jeanpit-frenchy]

it's hard for me to understand technical words....
cast =ok, but die struck ?

i think my badge is a simple item, no rare, just O/R this loops from my grand father collection

is it that die struck ?

sorry not god pictures... i had made a attempt for enlarge them, but not really nice..

[Peter Brydon]

I belive that at the same time as the hall marked silver badges were made a few were also made in hall marked gold to be presented to the ladies who had some connection with the formation of the battalions ( including no doubt Lady Derby and Lady Victoria Stanley ) Sad to say I do not have an example

In the book The History of the 89th Brigade 1914-18 Brig.Stanley says ,after describing the circumstances in which the hall marked silver badges came about , that all subsequent ones ( ie badges ) were to be in bronze ( page54)

P.B.