Welch Regiment 1920-1969

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by 41st

Keith
Wholly with you on the amount of fakes. What really rips me though are the mainstream and internet dealers happily passing off fakes as genuine. Some of which are blatent forgeries such as the 2nd and 3rd Monmouthshire Officers' patterns.
Don't people do any basic research before they buy this rubbish?
Hwyl
Kevin

Yep, quite agree. As for those Monmouths I recently listed both of those on ebay as copies despite one of them being silver plated. I think one sold the other didn't, the selling one went cheaply so I can't complain as it was a copy after all and then I see others selling for £20+.

[Luke H]

Forgot to mention before but the braze on that FN Welch looks pretty fresh (as does the rest of the back) I suppose we should consider the possibility of an original slider taken off the original badge then reattached to a restrike badge... although every case I have seen this done in the badge has been worth a worthwile amount of money a lot more than your average fiver for a Welch Regt.

Luke

btw. well done on the grand slam today to all the welsh guys!

[41st]

Originally Posted by Paddy McGinty

Forgot to mention before but the braze on that FN Welch looks pretty fresh (as does the rest of the back) I suppose we should consider the possibility of an original slider taken off the original badge then reattached to a restrike badge... although every case I have seen this done in the badge has been worth a worthwile amount of money a lot more than your average fiver for a Welch Regt.

Luke

btw. well done on the grand slam today to all the welsh guys!

We won't be posting much today due to the mother of all hangovers!

[41st]

Here are some of my O.R's badges.
1.Standard post 1920 issue in three part construction.
2.Rear of the above.
3.Showing three braizing slots to rear of crown, in the form of an unjoined H.
4.Alternative manufacturer to above, but again in three part constuction.
5.Rear of the above showing large oval braizing hole behind the crown.
If anyone is wondering why the badges look so new it's because I clean them and then protect them with microcrystaline wax, although the badge in 1 doesn't look as though it's ever been issued.
I also hope that those with an interest can now see clearly what I mean about the detail on the feathers.

[41st]

A few more.
1.Much poorer quality than those shown in the post above and no sweat hole to rear. I'm not convinced by this one and would also draw attention to the larger script of the Title scroll.
2.Rear of the above.
3.Looks horrid doesn't it. But it is genuine and is an all brass cast Indian made example. It actually doesn't look quite so crude in the flesh, so to speak.
4.Rear of the above showing that a lot of work has actually gone into this. It is made of three cast parts pinned through and then the pins flatened. Made by Binari & Bros.

[41st]

The WW2 plastic economy versions.
1.Silver version.
2.Rear of the above showing 'Stanley & Sons' mark.
3.Bronze version. The colour not showing up too well in the photo.
4.Rear of the above showing 'Stanley & Sons' mark.
I understand there to be a chocolate brown version in existance, although I have never seen one.

[41st]

The anodised version, with 'J.R.Gaunt B'ham' mark to rear.

[54Bty]

My aa version. Smith and Wright Limited.

[jeanpit-frenchy]

please what did you think about this one ? (no braze hole)

buy in deutchland for 2.5€

stampered J.R GAUNT B'HAM

for me genuine ? perhaps 25% ! - thanks for help

[41st]

Jeanpit,
Je ne sais pas.
The front looks o.k, but the back looks very thin. It might be worth looking at the post by Alan with regard to the Gaunt markings.
I would be suspicious until proved otherwise.
Hwyl
Kevin

[jeanpit-frenchy]

Originally Posted by 41st

Jeanpit,
Je ne sais pas.
The front looks o.k, but the back looks very thin. It might be worth looking at the post by Alan with regard to the Gaunt markings.
I would be suspicious until proved otherwise.
Hwyl
Kevin

i think like you, but for the price ... i m waiting to found a better.

cheers

[Alan O]

With such a late B'ham mark (post 1960ish) and that style of construction I would say 95% Gaunt made restrike from the early 70s. It just looks all wrong for a pre 1920 badge.

I have a bronze plastic and have seen the silver one before but as yet cannot confirm a brown chocolate one.

Alan

[41st]

Originally Posted by Alan Owen

With such a late B'ham mark (post 1960ish) and that style of construction I would say 95% Gaunt made restrike from the early 70s. It just looks all wrong for a pre 1920 badge.

I have a bronze plastic and have seen the silver one before but as yet cannot confirm a brown chocolate one.

Alan

Alan,
Jeanpit's badge is a post 1920 example, but I side with you on your opinion. Besides, you know a lot more than I do with regard to maker marks, which is why I steared him in your direction.

[Alan O]

OOps sorry missed the 'C'. If it was made for the Bn pre1958 then it would be a very early use of the Bham mark. Most of the pre58 badges made by Gaunts are found with the large London mark.

Another option is that it was made for commercial sale to the TA Bn who I presume were wearing the a/a version up to 1968. My knowledge of the Welch TA is not expert so please shot me down if I am wrong.

Alan