Bodill, Parker & Co Ltd.

[cbuehler]

If there is anything I have learned, quality of manufacture is certainly NOT an indicator of originality. It is only one possible factor; highly dependent upon a given badge.
Many perfectly genuine badges are actually not as good as many fakes in this regard.
Quality is so often used as by collectors to judge badges in any field, and with good reason in many cases, however, it cannot be held to be paramount.

CB

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Luke H

The badge is not from a different die.

Both badges are from the same die, the BP die. The badge in the opening post is however mis-struck and the photograph is of a lower resolution.

Ok then Luke, the quality is poor then.
Andy

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by cbuehler

If there is anything I have learned, quality of manufacture is certainly NOT an indicator of originality. It is only one possible factor; highly dependent upon a given badge.
Many perfectly genuine badges are actually not as good as many fakes in this regard.
Quality is so often used as by collectors to judge badges in any field, and with good reason in many cases, however, it cannot be held to be paramount.

CB

Agreed, you make some good points there.
Andy

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by dubaiguy

Hopefully adding to our knowledge of this maker's badges since Ticker's detective work, I've just come across this one.

Expanding on Luke's comments on die quality, I would tentatively class this badge as average for a WWI produced badge, but not as good as say Gaunt's.
Cheers
Mark

In addition to the TF Suffolk and Duke of Wellington’s, off the top of my head, I’ve also seen...

Notts & Derby Regt
The Yorkshire Regt
Royal Irish Rifles
South Staffordshire Regt
Durham Light Infantry
Liverpool Pals
TF Middlesex Regt
Machine Gun Corps
Norfolk Yeomanry

There is very likely more.

The one with a stratified date is the Liverpool Pals. It’s the 1917 version being die struck with a slider according to Julian’s research. I believe he stated the change was mid-1917. Ticker’s Board of Trade Labour Gazette research shows BP had two contracts in 1917 awarded January and August.

So cross-referencing the two logically the Liverpool Pals must have been made from August 1917 onwards. The quality of these is generally relatively poor.

[eddie]

Hi,
I have one to the Monmouthshire Regiment.
Cheers,
Eddie

[Luke H]

I’d love to see it please Dave.

I have a Smith & Wright marked Mons but never seen a BP one.

[marinus]

Good evening,

Nice thread.
Here's my South Staffordshire badge by Bodill Parker & Co. Ltd for reference.

Marinus

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by Luke H

The mark is original and the badge is from the BP die which is quite different to any fake Suffolk Regt die. There is no doubt.

Fake BP marks lack the a full stop after the D’s underscore. See posts #6 and #7 here: https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ight=Lambourne

There is a real dichotomy with the quality of BP badges, some like the Norfolk Yeomanry and Royal Irish Rifles are quite good quality whereas others like Liverpool Pals, Suffolk TF, South Staffs, are quite poor quality.

Your Suffolk badge is actually quite a good example of a BP badge, many are found with very poorly struck crowns and wonky scrolls.

Ticker’s wonderful research showed Bodill Parker being awarded badge contracts in December 1915, January, February, March, May, August & September 1916 and January and August 1917.

I strongly suspect the differing quality is reflective of manufacturing from different dates.

A typo re. fake BP & Co Mark's lacking the full stop after the D underscore, or am I misreading?

A yellow metal Yorkshire Regiment badge with the D underscore full stop (bought back before I knew brass WWI economies of white metal badges weren't produced).

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

A typo re. fake BP & Co Mark's lacking the full stop after the D underscore, or am I misreading?

A yellow metal Yorkshire Regiment badge with the D underscore full stop (bought back before I knew brass WWI economies of white metal badges weren't produced).

A fake.

Typo on my part you can see the underscores are on different heights.

This is a genuine one. You can see the difference mentioned in the mark and also that they’re from a different die. Yours being from the MM fake die.

[leigh kitchen]

Yes, my one's a fake "WWI economy" of an all white metal badge - just that it has the full stop, your post stated that the fake mark's dont have the full stop?.

[eddie]

Originally Posted by eddie

Hi,
I have one to the Monmouthshire Regiment.
Cheers,
Eddie

Just added photos for comments not sure looking at the other ones.

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by eddie

Just added photos for comments not sure looking at the other ones.

Sorry that is not a genuine BP mark.

[eddie]

Hi Luke,
Yes that what I thought, looking at the others.
Cheers,
Dave

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

Yes, my one's a fake "WWI economy" of an all white metal badge - just that it has the full stop, your post stated that the fake mark's dont have the full stop?.

Sorry for the confusion Leigh.

There’s two repro BP marks and I mixed them up.

The ToysRus mark has all the full stops and underscores, rather the underscore alignment is wrong being too high.

The other, and I believe more recent, fake BP Mark is a more accurate in terms of font and underscore alignment but is missing the full stop I referred to.

Hopefully that clarifies.

[RSM]

I too was wondering about that so thanks for clarifying Luke