ROC KC metal cap badges

[wasaraftype]

Hi,

Recently acquired the brass slider badge. I assume, it is probably fake as I have not seen this version before. It could be gilt but unlikely.

Would be interested to hear of any ROC collectors opinions.


Regards,

Graham

[tonyb]

Possible it could have missed the chromium plating process.
Tony.

[Insignia]

My view is that sliders = reproductions

[Alan O]

I have a white metal one from my grandfather's collection assembled in the mid 40's and it has a brass slider.

[Wooffy]

Nice assortment.

I did see it on eBay and was tempted as it is a bit of an anomaly to say the least.

Sliders were used on OR badges worn on the side cap, so having badges with a slider on is perfectly fine - I have a few - I have never seen a slidered officers badge. The FS cap I have with a badge on is a die cast officers one with East/West lugs.

Initially I am inclined to agree with tonyb - it looks like this badge has missed being chromed. However from memory all my OR slidered badges are white metal (nickel) rather than being chromed, so as I said a bit of anomaly.

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by Insignia

My view is that sliders = reproductions

May I enquire as to the rationale behind this view?

[Wooffy]

I meant to add, that in regard to KC ROC badges - the one that appears to be missing is a Die Cast OR version.

[wasaraftype]

Hi all,

Thanks for the replies & views.

Having seen that example that Wooffy kindly posted, regarding the smooth backed lugged white metal cap badge, I went to my collection and was pleased to find I already had one hidden away. From memory, I believe my single example came in a large job lot of ROC KC cap badges.

Also, having looked at my 2 slider badges I have noted that both are non voided in the area where the 'figure arm' is looking out. All others versions I have seen are voided. This would go along with the notion that my brass slider missed the whitening process.

I have seen others for sale with brass sliders but these are voided.

I wonder if both slider types are genuine and if has anyone variations to these slider badges?

The white metal slider close-up attachment is an example from elsewhere as mine does not properly show the non voided area due to the askew position of the slider.


Regards,

Graham

[Wooffy]

Interesting observation on the voided /non-voided area.

There are three generally accepted different patterns of Beacon Lighter in the middle of the badge, although not all appear on KC badges. I've attached some pictures.

Type A - Clear pleats in the leggings and voided to the left of the neck
Type B - Smooth leggings and non-voided to the left of the neck
Type C - Skinny /Thin (Seemingly only on QC Badges)

I have looked at my slidered versions and none of them have the non-voided piece that yours has - looks like I need to secure one of them.