Backing cloth

[iain]

Hi . Could anyone please tell me what colour the backing cloth was to the white horse arm badge when used by the 5th RIDG and the earlier 5th DG, i believe it is now green for the RDG,if that is right ?

Iain

[wright241]

The "Embellishments book" sounds like it might be useful to you for WWII ->.
Apparently it was a Green outline for the 5RIDG - changed to RED during 1942-46.
David

[iain]

Thank you david.
And you may well have a point there, can you give me any more details about the book please.
Also i presume the horse was worn by 5DG prior to 1922 , or did they and if so did they wear a colour behind it please.
please excuse me new to cavalry.

Iain

[wright241]

Produced by the Ulster Defence Regiment Benevolent Fund.
Badge Backings and Special Embellishments of the British Army.
ISBN 0-9514342-0-9.
Odd that the book cover title spells "Embelishments" incorrectly whereas the ISBN reference has the correct spelling. A good reference work and some very interesting stories.
There may even be reprints around as I got mine in NI in 1990. An excellent book.
I don't have my notes to hand about the 5thDG history of this badge, apart from remembering that they were called Green Horse way back. I am sure other members (and ex troopers) will be able to help out with your other query.
David
Just had a look through the Regimental History for this regiment, but have never managed to track down when they started wearing the arm badge, only that the horse was on their regimental standard in 1750 - or possibly before this date.....

[iain]

Thanks again David.
While i was trawling through google etc trying to find things out i came across a site called Uniforology in its menu there is a Victorian heavy Cavalry 1881 - 1902 which has inforfation and drawings of uniforms, Head dress, pouch belts etc included in this is NCO arm badges, amongs which it says. -

5th DG . The white horse of Hanover in silver was worn by NCO's above corporal after the commanding officer R.Baden - Powell supposedly got official permision. There was apparently no written authorization before 1902. The badge always worn on the chevrons. bandmasters did not wear this badge.

i dont know if this is a quote from a book by david Linaker and Gordon Dine,
cavalry Warrent officers and non - Commissioned officers arm badges.
but they do recomend further reading on the subjed in this book.

I did notice on one of the pics the horse on chevrons but facing backwards, i always thought animals heads where supposed to face forwards.And if worn over the stripes does this mean there may not be a coloured backing.

Sorry for the essay. Iain

[Mike H]

Originally Posted by iain

Thanks again David.
While i was trawling through google etc trying to find things out i came across a site called Uniforology in its menu there is a Victorian heavy Cavalry 1881 - 1902 which has inforfation and drawings of uniforms, Head dress, pouch belts etc included in this is NCO arm badges, amongs which it says. -

5th DG . The white horse of Hanover in silver was worn by NCO's above corporal after the commanding officer R.Baden - Powell supposedly got official permision. There was apparently no written authorization before 1902. The badge always worn on the chevrons. bandmasters did not wear this badge.

i dont know if this is a quote from a book by david Linaker and Gordon Dine,
cavalry Warrent officers and non - Commissioned officers arm badges.
but they do recomend further reading on the subjed in this book.

I did notice on one of the pics the horse on chevrons but facing backwards, i always thought animals heads where supposed to face forwards.And if worn over the stripes does this mean there may not be a coloured backing.

Sorry for the essay. Iain

ive looked at Linaker and Dine ,it says it was given to the Regt by George III in 1796. But permission to be worn was 1898 but didn't appear in CR til 1904.Pictures show the badge on the stripes without the backing circa 1900.
After amalgamation no backing initially, but it says that the backing was worn sometimes and not at others.

[iain]

Ah right Mike thanks , so uniformology might not be that accurate then. Looks interesting to me as a beginner in this feild though. have to start looking at buying books again i think.
Iain

[Mike H]

Originally Posted by iain

Ah right Mike thanks , so uniformology might not be that accurate then. Looks interesting to me as a beginner in this feild though. have to start looking at buying books again i think.
Iain

Im not really an arm badge man, but i love L and D,execellent book.
The info on the backing is a bit vague to be honest,but as i said im just quoting .

[David Tremain]

The last time I looked, the "Embellishments" book was hard to find and over $100 or was it one hundred pounds?

David

[Mike_2817]

You can get a copy in the UK from around £40 (about $64) to £114 (about $178)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Badge-Backin.../dp/0951434209