Cranleigh OTC

[cbuehler]

Picked up this very nice old Cranleigh School badge in a batch of other recently.

CB

And a very nice one it is too ! The proximity of the loops suggests a collar badge - would you agree ? Regards. David

[Alan O]

It's a fake. Look at the lips.

This is a genuine one

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ictureid=90379

[cbuehler]

It is full size cap badge. I am sure it is an early one as the lugs are close on the body of the lamb. I find this to be a common feature on early lugged badges of this type of design.

CB

Like the Queen's Regiment, Cranleigh also wore collar badges of full cap badge size. I wouldn't expect to see cap badge loops quite so close to one another but, of course, I may be wrong. Regards. David

[Alan O]

David,

The only Queens collar I have seen is half size and of a different design. have you any photos of full sized ones in use by ORs?

Alan

[davec2]

Originally Posted by David Douglas

Like the Queen's Regiment, Cranleigh also wore collar badges of full cap badge size. I wouldn't expect to see cap badge loops quite so close to one another but, of course, I may be wrong. Regards. David

Hello David,
Some may remember my recent query re school badges having lugs on the scrolls ( see restrikes, fakes etc ), I had three, Cranleigh, Guildford and Reigate.
I was told in no uncertain terms that all of mine were copies but the point I'm making, is the post by Saddle tree maker on that thread, his reply to my query was that normally, badges would have two lugs about one inch apart, if the badges size allowed it, on the body of the lamb, I wonder if his remarks help in this discussion.
Regards.
Dave.

[Peter Brydon]

Interestingly in his article titled "Badges of the Officers Training Corps " in the Journal of the Society for Army Historical Research Vol XVIII, Ernest J.Martin has the following-

"Cranleigh School (Rifles )

Cap badge- the badge of the Queens Royal regiment ( West Surrey ) is worn in black with the words "Cranleigh OTC" added upon a scroll below.( The badge is rather smaller than that worn by the Regular regiment,being of the same size as that worn on the collar)"

P.B.

One obvious question, as rifles did the unit wear collar badges ? ( in the introduction to the article EJM says " collar badges are not worn in the majority of contingents either of the Senior or Junior Divisions" )

[cbuehler]

Well here we go again with possibly conflicting information. My badge illustrated does indeed have lugs approx. one inch spaced. It is the same size as the regular Queen's cap badge as well.
I have seen a photo of the Cranleigh School OTC from the early 20th C. and it seems to show Rifle Regt. style uniforms with a bright badge on FS caps.
I would question that the assertion that the cap badges worn were always of collar size as the scroll with title letters would be exceedingly small indeed. It is also probable that there were variations in sizes of badges up to the 1920's when the scroll title changed.
This probably applied to many other school's OTC programs as well. I dont know how these badges were sourced or if there were sealed patterns.

CB

[Peter Brydon]

The article by Ernest Martin was based on information provided by C.O`s,Adjutants and Serjeant Instructors of the units at the time the article was written ( and I have to confess I am not sure of the exact date- I only have a photocopy of the article )


The badges worn in earlier years might have been of different sizes,but that is why the hobby is so fascinating. You could have a lifetimes research here cbuehler.

P.B.

[Alan O]

Peter,

Fascinating and really informative. It was published in 1938 so presumably was recorded 1937-8. The JTC changeover happened in 1940. It is my opinion that he had a small collar badge and believed it was the cap badge. I cannot find any evidence of a small cap bagde and the CCF one was full size.

Alan