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Old 23-01-20, 05:22 PM
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Hello Guys,
Anybody recognize these?
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Old 23-01-20, 05:34 PM
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Have a look here for second badge.
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ead.php?t=9447
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Old 23-01-20, 05:48 PM
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Interesting, Thanks for that Tony.
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Old 23-01-20, 05:54 PM
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I would suggest that the second badge (London County Council), is probably a factory reject. The issued item would have been enamelled with the appropriate colours.

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Old 23-01-20, 11:53 PM
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I would like to suggest use of a scale in pictures (this poor Canadian lad ain't familiar with British coinage )

I will hazard a guess that the flaming grenade is an early example of a U.S. Army officer's collar badge for the Ordnance Corps.

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Old 24-01-20, 05:30 AM
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Hi,

First badge is US ARMY Ordnance Corps collar badge. Late 40's through 60's when the screw post fell from favour and replaced by spike fittings.

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Old 25-01-20, 10:59 AM
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Ian B and Clay,
Thank you gentlemen for your input, much appreciated. I have found one example of a supposedly 1950s example online with the spike fittings, however, all of the images i have seen show smooth flames where as my example shows fretted lines at the flame ends and base. Any significance to this?
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the images i have seen show smooth flames where as my example shows fretted lines at the flame ends and base. Any significance to this?
Over polishing ?

Found this photo showing 'fretted' flame.
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Yet another example, as the frets run the whole length of the flames Mike. I don,t think my example is the result of polishing, as they are too uniform. Would be interesting if there are any other opinions and examples out there.
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Would be interesting if there are any other opinions and examples out there.
"The multiplicity of designs continued through WWI. Indeed, with the deployment of the American Expeditionary Forces in France and the advent of collar disks with branch insignia, a dizzying array of designs existed. Even today, it is still unknown how many different designs were produced. Designs in the U.S. had a tenure of approximately ten years before a new insignia was designed for a particular uniform. In France, however, soldiers employed a wide-array of French manufacturers to make their uniform items.

In 1936, the Army Institute of Heraldry redesigned and standardized the design of the Shell and Flame. This stylized Shell and Flame remains the current version. Interestingly, all older versions were allowed to be grandfathered out of use. It is not uncommon to see photos of WWII Ordnance soldiers still wearing the pre-1936 design. There are portraits of Officers wearing the pre-1936 design up until 1962."

History of the Shell and Flame
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Very interesting, thanks for your input Mike.
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