Monmouthshire Questions

[DDEV]

These two units fought in Operation Veritable in 1945:

2nd Battalion Monmouthshire Regiment (160 Inf. Brigade)
3rd Battalion Monmouthshire Regiment (159 Inf. Brigade)

Eddie’s Monmouthshire album was very helpful, but I still have a couple of questions.

Would both these regiments use the same badge?

I think the badge with the battle honors around it is 1st Battalion, the light dragon would be First War so that leaves the darker badge. Where does it fit?

Help with determining authenticity of the badges would be greatly appreciated.

[Alan O]

All 4 battalions wore the brass dragon badge in 1908.

In 1925 the 1st Battalion adopted this brass wreath badge and the others continued to wear the dragon.

The w/m dragon one is also attributed to the 1st Bn before 1920.

In 1929 the 1st battalion changed the brass wreath badge to the deign that you have.

Yours however is a copy. This slidered version is correct.

[KLR]

In that case, can anyone swap a WM dragon for a GM please
My boyhood collection of 1914 infantry has clearly got the wrong Monmouth
I don't know how to make a link to my album - sorry



The WO only got around to authorising / procuring TF badges in 1915 - 1916, thus
'Pattern 532/1915 Monmouthshire Regt GM'

[Alan O]

Julian

Whilst the wm one has been attributed to the 1st Bn that might be because the logic was that the wreath pattern badge which was worn in WW2 was w/m. So working backwards the w/m dragon must also have been 1st bn.

In reality we know that the 2nd pattern badge was initially worn in brass for 4 years so the logic may be flawed.

So it's possible that the w/m badge was a pre war Tf badge worn in walking out by more than just the 1st battalion after all. The jury's out.

Alan

[KLR]

The entry for Patt 532/1915 - stipulating GM - comes from a WO tender of April 1916.
No specific battalions are noted. I suspect it was GM from 1908 - and, as we know, it would not have been changed to WM.

If anyone has a copy of

The Territorial Year Book and Directory, 1909: A handbook for the Territorial soldier and the citizen, explaining the rights, duties and obligations of members of the Territorial Force, the organisation and administration of the Territorial system, and giving an account of all the units of the force. First (second) year. 1910. Hodder and Stoughton, London.

there might be a description of the badge - though a number of entries do not have badge details ! I haven't looked at it (in various libraries) for ages.

[manchesters]

Originally Posted by KLR

The entry for Patt 532/1915 - stipulating GM - comes from a WO tender of April 1916.
No specific battalions are noted. I suspect it was GM from 1908 - and, as we know, it would not have been changed to WM.

If anyone has a copy of

The Territorial Year Book and Directory, 1909: A handbook for the Territorial soldier and the citizen, explaining the rights, duties and obligations of members of the Territorial Force, the organisation and administration of the Territorial system, and giving an account of all the units of the force. First (second) year. 1910. Hodder and Stoughton, London.

there might be a description of the badge - though a number of entries do not have badge details ! I haven't looked at it (in various libraries) for ages.

The book states as follows:0

1st Bn. 'Dragon'

For the 2nd and 3rd Bn.'s it doesnt describe the badge.

regards