York and Lancaster broken slider?

[Tigerlily]

I've been given this as well, just checking, looks like it has had a slider at one time and has been replaced with lugs?

Thanks
Alli

[Chipper]

I reckon so, that's about where my one's slider is placed:

Cheers, Tim

[Tigerlily]

Thanks Tim

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Chipper

I reckon so, that's about where my one's slider is placed:

Cheers, Tim

Ditto:

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[Tigerlily]

Thank you, customized tiger it is then

[davidwyke]

Certainly a genuine badge but no idea why the slider has been replaced by crudely soldered lugs. It appears to have been removed intentionally.

From memory, I think Ivan's York & Lancs book dates that pattern pre 1918/1920 so probably WW1 more likely than not.

David

[Tigerlily]

Thank you David. I presumed the slider might have been damaged but why replace with lugs? a personal preference maybe?

[magpie]

Perhaps a more recent attempt to turn it back in to a cap badge, it may have had a pin on the Back before for wear as a sweetheart or jacket

[badger123]

Originally Posted by Tigerlily

I've been given this as well, just checking, looks like it has had a slider at one time and has been replaced with lugs?

Thanks
Alli

Alli,

Yes its slider has been replaced and in fact, its been deliberately cut off as opposed to broken off. Have a look at this pair of broached badges of the same type as yours and you will see the scar created by the slider being broken. Compare this to the smooth edge of the slider remains on your badge.

This particular variation is probably the most common of all York and Lancs badges. The identifying features being the small oblong sweat hole behind the Coronet and the 4 small round sweat holes behind the rose.

I'm not sure of the maker but its not the type made by Gaunt, Narborough, Lambourne or Stratton. I can say it is of WW1 vintage as examples of this type have been found on the battlefields around Ypres.

Regards, Ivan

[badger123]

Originally Posted by Tigerlily

Thank you David. I presumed the slider might have been damaged but why replace with lugs? a personal preference maybe?

We may never know for sure Alli but judging by the way it was cut off rather than broken off, I would say it was done for a specific reason rather than a repair job.

Ivan

[Tigerlily]

I guess it's possible.

And I really ought to say a massive thank you to Brian(fatherofthree) for the big envelope of badges that hit my mat this morning. Sorting them out has been the perfect distraction from real work and other onerous tasks. Brian you are a superstar

[Tigerlily]

Originally Posted by badger123

Alli,

Yes its slider has been replaced and in fact, its been deliberately cut off as opposed to broken off. Have a look at this pair of broached badges of the same type as yours and you will see the scar created by the slider being broken. Compare this to the smooth edge of the slider remains on your badge.

This particular variation is probably the most common of all York and Lancs badges. The identifying features being the small oblong sweat hole behind the Coronet and the 4 small round sweat holes behind the rose.

I'm not sure of the maker but its not the type made by Gaunt, Narborough, Lambourne or Stratton. I can say it is of WW1 vintage as examples of this type have been found on the battlefields around Ypres.

Regards, Ivan

Aah thank you Ivan, yes I have been poking around your album's this afternoon.

[KLR]

I have a couple of 1926 King's cap badges with loops replacing sliders. I had assumed that this was done deliberately so as to keep the badge from wobbling on the reintroduced FCS - before people thought of drilling holes at the bottom of the sliders in order to sew the badge into place. Let alone the clips that were introduced in 1940. ??

[54Bty]

No idea why the slider was removed, but, lugs are easier to solder on then another slider.

Marc

[Tim B.]

Just confirming that the actual slider placement is not some determining or identifying factor on era of production for these.

Here's my York & Lancaster example and I noted the slider is soldered more in the middle of the rose and not above it, just under the rectangular braze hole, like many others I've seen.

I assumed it was just a manufacturer issue of placement when soldering it. Ivan's group shot in post #9 seems to confirm this?

Tim