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Old 06-11-20, 03:11 PM
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I have just received the latest edition of the Bulletin of the Military Historical Society which includes a Special Number dedicated to the story of the much maligned Brodrick Cap.

Superbly illustrated with contemporary photos and examples of the cap it is a splendid piece of work on a much neglected subject, Its author Toby Brayley is to be congratulated.

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..... has he detailed anything on the 17th Lancers Jon?
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He has. He illustrates an actual example of the regiment's Staff Sgt's cap and has a photo of a cap being worn. There is also a set of coloured drawings of the Lancer Regiments' caps.

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He has. He illustrates an actual example of the regiment's Staff Sgt's cap and has a photo of a cap being worn. There is also a set of coloured drawings of the Lancer Regiments' caps.

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..... is it an illustration or a photo of? I did this a few years ago..... was i close?



Brodrick Type 1 & 2
17th Lancers
Juniors Ranks (1st Pattern pre 1903)

* The junior ranks is based on whats seen in the postcard images.
** Seniors ranks:- Army Historical Research Vol LX No.244 Winter 1982, “The Broderick Cap” by B W Cox and M Prevezer, page 220.
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The only difference according to the book is that the piping down the sides only appeared on the Second pattern introduced in May 1903.

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I find it strange that the Guards forage cap/peakless cap is shown ? As its not a Brodrick cap ? Unless of course his showing that the Guards were not issued with it ?! And what they wore instead. Otherwise its a good bulletin.
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Just received mine looking forward to reading it.
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A splendid piece of work, the MHS yearly special editions are well worth having.
I look forward to a read tonight of it.

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Very useful but a more detailed account is


Cox, BW, and Prevezer, M, 1982 ‘The Brodrick cap’, Journal of the Society for Army Historical Research, 60, 213–25
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Cox, BW, and Prevezer, M, 1982 ‘The Brodrick cap’, Journal of the Society for Army Historical Research, 60, 213–25
The file is around 4MB which exceeds the forum limit - happy to supply copies if people want them, just PM me your email.
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Are you saying that members of the four Foot Guard regiments did not wear the Brodrick cap, I thought the Irish Guards were the first to be issued with it?


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Yes, "The New Pattern" / " General Service" / "Brodrick" cap was issued to the Irish Guards first wasn't it, the Household Cavalry being the only units not to wear it?
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That has always been my understanding, the Scots Guards had their short lived large Edwardian cap badge for wear upon them too.


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Although visually very similar they were quite different caps in their construction, the Guards pattern forage cap having no flap, a leather bound bottom edge, and being ‘set up’ (stiffened) to give a markedly smarter appearance more like the special (again unique to the Guards) tall pill box type forage cap that it replaced. I think because the two caps were issued over a similar period (but with the Guards pattern first) they have both become synonymous with the descriptive term Brodrick cap, but the cap certainly never seems to have been known in the Guards by that name and the differences between them seem sufficient to make the catch-all description questionable. Nevertheless, so common has the description become that to avoid confusion we used it in the uniformology.com series on the round forage cap. Notice in the group photo with a Wolfhound how tall the body of the cap is relative to its top, more so than the line cap.
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Are you saying that members of the four Foot Guard regiments did not wear the Brodrick cap, I thought the Irish Guards were the first to be issued with it?
Thats right Frank i am. What the Guards wore is different to the " brodrick " cap. I did mention this to the author.
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