British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > Common Forums > Reproductions, Restrikes, Fakes, Forgeries, and Copies

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 28-05-19, 03:02 AM
DDEV DDEV is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Northern Ontario
Posts: 84
Default Coldstream and Suffolk Badge Authenticity

Looking for opinions on these badges.

This Coldstream Guards badge has a dot in the middle of the belt buckle and in grenadierguardsman’s Coldstream album there is a badge with the dot in the middle of the buckle, but the back of my badge is very different like the double dots on the belt and the lettering seems less well defined. Doesn’t bode well.

The Suffolk badge has quite a curve to it.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 20190526_235322 (2).jpg (100.1 KB, 44 views)
File Type: jpg 20190526_235409 (2).jpg (85.6 KB, 42 views)
File Type: jpg 20190526_235703 (2).jpg (56.4 KB, 21 views)
File Type: jpg 20190526_235838 (2).jpg (100.1 KB, 43 views)
File Type: jpg 20190526_235912 (2).jpg (79.9 KB, 45 views)
File Type: jpg 20190527_000422 (2).jpg (55.2 KB, 22 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 28-05-19, 05:35 AM
Alex Rice Alex Rice is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,854
Default

I think they are both fine.
Cheers,
Alex
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 28-05-19, 06:43 AM
Hawthorn's Avatar
Hawthorn Hawthorn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Surrey England
Posts: 770
Default

Coldstream cap star looks good to me.

Simon.
__________________
Second To None
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 28-05-19, 07:51 AM
Sonofacqms's Avatar
Sonofacqms Sonofacqms is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 5,722
Default Suffolk Regt

A nice example, curved to fit snugly on the cap.

Rob
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 28-05-19, 10:33 AM
Neibelungen Neibelungen is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 239
Default

It's been double struck.
Usually you find if the first strike didn't emboss the detail well enough or was too light a strike, then the badge would have been restruck to redefine the detail.
The double effect is from a slight misalignment from either repositioning or the male part shifted between the two strikes.

You often see the effect when a press is being set up and testing strikes for alignment. The bottom die holders have and x and y adjustment and you adjust a screw or bolt down to alter alignment. Occasionally these shift in use if not tight enough. Top dies are usually rigidly fixed to the ram.

These later designs are hydraulic compression rather than embossing, so the metal is slightly thicker and squeezed down rather than earlier drop presses which tend to emboss by pushing the metal both up and down rather than compressing it to conform.
You have less depth and thicker metal than victorian designs but the machines run a lot faster and more consistently. Drop presses tend to need multiple strikes with anealing between to get the depth.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 28-05-19, 12:42 PM
High Wood's Avatar
High Wood High Wood is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 3,788
Default

I think both badges are fine and I particularly like the Suffolk Regiment badge with its sweat holes and crimped slider.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 29-05-19, 03:02 AM
DDEV DDEV is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Northern Ontario
Posts: 84
Default

Neibelungen, thanks for the explanation. If I understand the more modern process correctly it is the thickness of the metal which allows the front to look like it should and what happens on the reverse not to effect the front.

Would the Suffolk badge be issued flat and then curved?

What are the sweat holes? I want to say it's a term related to manufacture.

Thanks for all the comments. It's always nice to cross a couple of names off the list.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 29-05-19, 06:48 AM
11th Armoured's Avatar
11th Armoured 11th Armoured is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Lincolnshire, UK
Posts: 111
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DDEV View Post
What are the sweat holes? I want to say it's a term related to manufacture.

Hello there - with regard to sweat holes, I came across this article the other day which quite succinctly explains what they are & why they're there.

https://www.yorkandlancasterregiment...ns/sweat-holes


HTH,

Kevin
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 30-05-19, 01:44 AM
cbuehler cbuehler is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,195
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DDEV View Post
Neibelungen, thanks for the explanation. If I understand the more modern process correctly it is the thickness of the metal which allows the front to look like it should and what happens on the reverse not to effect the front.

Would the Suffolk badge be issued flat and then curved?

What are the sweat holes? I want to say it's a term related to manufacture.

Thanks for all the comments. It's always nice to cross a couple of names off the list.
Badges were of course issued flat. A soldier would often bend a badge to fit the headdress to his taste.

CB
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:34 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.