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Grateful thanks for that Paul !
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A few years ago I purchased a small frame of what, at first, appeared to be genuine cavalry badges, mostly Life Guards if I remember correctly. The board, in the frame, holding the badges was covered with newspaper dated 1915 or 16 and there was a good smattering of dust behind the badges etc, giving the impression of age and authenticity. The badges were all modern copies....................a proper knock up of something made to deceive.........the bit of newspaper, (if indeed that was genuine) was probably worth more than the badges. And by the by, the collection subject of this thread.... very nice. Regards Brian |
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Hi Brian, Thanks for your input. I agree completely with your sentiments generally, however what we have here is a completely genuine set of badges collected during, and up to just after WW1 (I have found one which is as late as 1920). I have attached some pictures of the extraction of one of these badges. Behind most badges there is hardly any oxidisation. A picture of the Cameron badge too illustrates this. All the badges have left an historical imprint on the cloth backing. Anyway I am extracting all the badges now, so should complete this process by tomorrow. Kindest Regards Paul |
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Thanks for everybody's comments and help today! Kind Regards Paul |
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Can anyone give the dates of use please? Any chance of a close up of the pre 37 Norfolk badge Paul? Great collection Regards, Andy |
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I have taken close up pictures of all the badges now. They are just uploading to photobucket. I will send out the link shortly. Many thanks and kind regards. Paul |
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Link to photo's of all badges in the collection.
Hi All,
I have uploaded HiRes pictures of all the badges onto photobucket now: http://s1271.photobucket.com/user/pa...?sort=2&page=1 Comments welcome. Kindest Regards Paul |
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The MMG is a great reference badge for what a genuine one looks like.
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The MMG is a great reference badge for what a genuine one looks like.
Also the gren guards is the 14 point flame variant which I have always believed to be pre-war so it is nice to have that confirmed. Likewise for the BY DAND variant of the Gordon Highlanders. |
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Stunning !
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9 lancers
hi guys
the 9th lancers has the crown attached and not one piece. is this usual? never noticed that before bc http://s1271.photobucket.com/user/pa...ml?sort=2&o=56 |
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Hi Paul.
In no way was I suggesting that your superb boards of badges were in any way doubtful, it was just a comment that not all that glitters is gold, as they say. It's good to see the Middlesex 7th -9th Battalion badge; the South Africa scroll is overlaid on the Albuhera scroll, but what makes it more interesting is that although I've seen several with this overlay, and have some in my collection, this is the first I have seen on a lugged bi-metal badge. I do have a lugged white metal Middlesex with this overlay. It goes a little way towards my theory that when the 7th - 9th were formed, the early joiners were issued with this style of badge, i.e. the overlaid scroll. Either because dies weren't in place for their own pattern, or hadn't been considered, hence old or surplus stock of The Regulars pattern was pressed into service. However, it is also possible that the overlaid badges were produced later in time, again, just to use up old or surplus stock. Whatever the answer, a very nice badge. Regards Brian |
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Some lovely badges here. The construction of some makes comments previously made on here about the validity of badges posted for opinion in the past seem absurd, round sweatholes being one of them in fact the presence and necessity of sweatholes in general. The East Surrey badge is an interesting item as is the Norfolks regular one which appears to be all nickel, VB, Militia, Walking Out ?
Reminds me of a collection of Pre-WW1/Boer War I bought years ago and there are those who still believe the Welsh Horse shouldn't come with loops. The 9th Lancers is a real puzzle though. |
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Very true Keith-few crimp lines, some lugged feet and scrolls with no rear detail. I guess all we know for sure is that there are no hard and fast rules in this game and little that can be stated to be 100% fact. Regards, Paul.
Last edited by wardog; 22-07-13 at 08:39 PM. |
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I believe this, and your Pre-WW1/Boer war badges represent good contextual collections that can (and should) be benchmarks of their respective periods. I suspect some perceptions have been created, which are driving expectations of the market on what is normal. For example - in this collection only one British badge is maker marked (and not Gaunt), and yet the maker marked badges in the market now drive the higher prices, as they are perceived as evidence for the "norm" of genuine period badges. But perhaps we should accept the contextual evidence here that suggests this is not the case, in fact the opposite. Same for sweatholes in every case etc... As for the 9th Lancers perhaps it is an earlier manufactured example. Or perhaps its another example of the perceived "norm" for this badge being different from what it actually is. Kind Regards Paul |
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