WWI ROYAL NAVY HAT

[l11-velasco]

Dear Gents

Any lights about this R.N. petty officer...suggested WW1 but what about buttons and chinstrap????

Thanks in advance

Fernando

[Frank Kelley]

I would suggest the cap badge is not WW1.

Originally Posted by l11-velasco

Dear Gents

Any lights about this R.N. petty officer...suggested WW1 but what about buttons and chinstrap????

Thanks in advance

Fernando

[manchesters]

The chinstrap does not belong on the cap. One button is wrong and the badge is typical WW2 period.

regards

[Guzzman]

And during WW1 what subsequently became the PO's cap badge was worn by CPO's only. PO's only started wearing this as their cap badge in the early-1920s - forget the exact date at the moment. This looks like a standard WWII cap with the problems with one button and the chinstrap already pointed out.

Pete

[Nozzer]

The Cap Badge was introduced in WW2 as economy measure. The velvet of the crown has been replaced by red thread and the whole badge is much more flat than pre war badges. It could also have been added to the cap at anytime.

As has been mentioned, the chinstrap is wrong as are BOTH buttons. Royal Navy peaked caps had cloth covered buttons as shown below.

[l11-velasco]

A thing is sure... Chinstrap is not for this cap but about the hat itself any agreement about if is WWI or WW2 periods???
Badge is ok but no agreement about period too??
Buttons should be cloth covered in Royal Navy hats from both periods WWI and WW2??
Sorry but Im very confused with differents opinions that you posted
Thanks

[l11-velasco]

Originally Posted by Nozzer

The Cap Badge was introduced in WW2 as economy measure. The velvet of the crown has been replaced by red thread and the whole badge is much more flat than pre war badges.

As has been mentioned, the chinstrap is wrong as are BOTH buttons. Royal Navy peaked caps had cloth covered buttons as shown below.

Please more doubts from me:

During both periods WWI and WW2 were the buttons covered with cloth???

What is the sense of red velvet replaced for the red thread that appears here may be some kind of economy of war???

What do you suggested when you posted that badge It could also have been added to the cap at anytime...WW2 period because for you the badge is more like WW2 made than WWI ????

is not that the top of the hat looks less wider from the WW2 examples???

Thanks in advance for new conmments

[Nozzer]

Originally Posted by l11-velasco

Please more doubts from me:

During both periods WWI and WW2 were the buttons covered with cloth???

What is the sense of red velvet replaced for the red thread that appears here may be some kind of economy of war???

What do you suggested when you posted that badge It could also have been added to the cap at anytime...WW2 period because for you the badge is more like WW2 made than WWI ????

is not that the top of the hat looks less wider from the WW2 examples???

Thanks in advance for new conmments

Yes, during WW1 and WW2 the buttons that secure the chinstrap should be cloth covered. The small Royal Navy button on yours is a Petty Officers cuff button.

The badge is most certainly WW2 period and was manufactured as economy measure as stated. In 1941 metal versions where introduced as a further economy measure.

By the very nature of the cap, the band that the badge is attached to is removable to enable the addition or removal of the white cover (although I notice now that your badge has been stitched to the crown). I was simply pointing out that it "could" have been added at anytime, not that it was. This can be said for any item of uniform that has a badge on it of course.

Andrew

[l11-velasco]

Originally Posted by Nozzer

Yes, during WW1 and WW2 the buttons that secure the chinstrap should be cloth covered. The small Royal Navy button on yours is a Petty Officers cuff button.

The badge is most certainly WW2 period and was manufactured as economy measure as stated. In 1941 metal versions where introduced as a further economy measure.

By the very nature of the cap, the band that the badge is attached to is removable to enable the addition or removal of the white cover (although I notice now that your badge has been stitched to the crown). I was simply pointing out that it "could" have been added at anytime, not that it was. This can be said for any item of uniform that has a badge on it of course.

Andrew

Finally what about the question that this hat has the top not so wider because I thought that in WW2 hat the top of the hats was more wider if we look the cap at the front and because this question of top not wider I believed a WWI one but now with WW2 badge you said...I don,t know period to date the hat itself??