Denbighshire Hussars

[Rockape]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Love to know if anyone has got this "identical" PoWs in bi-metal with a slider?

This what you are looking for? I have this attributed to RWY

[GriffMJ]

Most likely to be PWORWY...

I have got a hunch that only 8mm "O" looped (E/W) versions existed for the bi-metals.... the expense of new caps for the slider might not have been passed? It would have passed for the Bronze badge in the field caps though ...later on closer to the Great War.

[GriffMJ]

Nice PC from Abertawe

SS/Corporal, Bugler(s) & Troopers circa 1912.

* Better pics when its arrives... UPDATED (with a coloured version)

[GriffMJ]

Well finally !!!

Proof of the DHY "Troop" NCO Arm badge... from Corporal upwards. It looks like a bullion badge in blues and either a worsted wool or white metal in SD. I hope to get some hi res scans from a friend shortly that should give some greater detail At the point of the Yeoman starting to wear the overseas service badge on the uniform the NCO arm badge appears to have gone.... so 1913 there appears to be a Regimental dress reg change in service dress?

The close up of the two arm badges (at this low resolution) shows that the badge (and rank) worn on SD is on an army blue backing and the badge is white....... the badge worn on blues looks to be bullion on a blue cloth (I think I have one of these, or similar, in my collection)

[GriffMJ]

DHY & RWY at around the same period

[GriffMJ]

This is the bullion POWs that I have in my collection (approx 1 3/4 inches x 1 3/4 inches) next to the DHY bullion NCO Arm Badge POWs. The POWS I have is similar but its a bit bigger and the scroll has a blue ground (DHY scroll has a white ground by the looks of it?). The DHY NCO Arm badge is approx' the same size as the cap badge.

DHY NCO Arm Badge (Blues)
On army blue cloth
Feathers & Scroll in silver bullion
Coronet in gold bullion
approx' 1 1/2 inches x 1 1/2 inches

[Bill]

Hi All
The thumbnails below shows a silver gilt badge (and its junior) that I have not been able to place but it might be another version of the one in your thread.

I followed the recent Denbighshire discussion with interest but the quill to the central feather of this silver badge is longer than the two on either side, unlike the Denbighshire badge where all of equal length (shown for comparison). Any thoughts?

Cheers
Bill

[Rockape]

Griff, great photos once again, thanks for showing them.

Bill, The collar has the shape of Earl of Chester's (Cheshire) Yeomanry, see link... Is it all WM?

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ictureid=86536

[Bill]

No, Gar, it isn't, it is silver (not hall marked) and gilt crown. The shape of the plumes matches the Denbighshire exactly, but the central quill is long, unlike the Cheshire Yeomanry. Also the badge is well very well made, look at the reinforcing on the scroll on the reverse.
Cheers
Bill

[Rockape]

Rightho Bill, Like you I am fascinated by the photos that appear in this thread, so far we haven't seen that small collar make an appearance until now, but that doesn't mean much when photo evidence is so scarce. I find some of the units that wear the different shape POW feathers the hardest to tell apart. There are so many variations and so many units especially volunteers who wore them.

Maybe someone could start a forum project collating the different POW feathers worn with unit identities.

[GriffMJ]

Bill

The small Wm. collar is not DHY, the S/G POWs large collar is not DHY (Probably Firmin circa 1898 for either 10thH or 3rd DG or 12thL or other)....... the Bronze is DHY though.

The DHY "Officers" SD medium size bronze collar was a common pattern and also seen in white metal or Rifle black finish in the 15th Londons (also in their FFSCap in Wm.).

The image below shows the bronze collar badges of Honorary Lt.Col H P Sykes DHY in service dress in 1914 (Rhyl Camp)...

**Many thanks MODs

[Bill]

Griff
Thanks for that. I've checked against the 3rd, 10th and 12th cap badges and it is different to each of them in some way (feather detail, height of crown, position of scroll, length of quill) and the same goes for other PoW regiments.

That it is probably Firmin's method of construction helps a lot - but who has an officers' collar collection 1898 to 1922?
Cheers
Bill

[GriffMJ]

Hi All

A new photo has come to light showing all the DHIY Sergeants at Llanfairfechan Camp, Caernarfonshire, in 1904. This photo shows the majority of the Sergeants wearing the POWFs above their chevrons in the khaki dress of the DHIY (see below). None of the DHIY Scarlet crowned FFS caps appear to show a cap badge being worn in them (but there is one or two that appear to have badges in the FFScap)?

The NCO Arm Badge in khaki could be:-

1. The bi-metal POWFs, as worn in their Slouch Hat and collar at the time.
2. A white worsted wool pattern POWFs on khaki.
3. A white metal POWFs (as seen on the junior NCO 10th Hussars).

My gut feeling is the white worsted wool on khaki.

I have a later image, circa 1912, of Corporal wearing what looks like a white worsted wool POWFs on blue backing above what appear to be silver chevrons on blue in khaki service dress..... as seen in post #79.

I also have a picture of two Staff Sergeants wearing bullion POWFs in blues above their chevrons at Rhyl Camp in 1913. One of the S/Sgts is named as S/Sgt M Cary (formerly of the Queens Bays).

So, the Regiment does wear a POWFs NCO Arm Badge from the period 1903-14.

* Point to note:- The investiture photos from 1911 show the Regiment in their old full dress kit (Hussars) and the NCOs are not wearing the Arm Badge because the old kit did not have it (pre 1901).

Officers pictured below: Lt.Col S P Sykes (ex-Queens Bays); Unknown at the moment; Hon.Lt.Col. S Ll Parry; DHIY Adjutant Capt James H E Holford DSO [7th Hussars]).
PSIs are also pictured on the front row..... but I am not sure of the Regiments yet (no names either).

[GriffMJ]

DHIY PSI Sergeants at Llanfairfechan Camp, Caernarfonshire, in 1904..... can anyone ID the Regiments?

One looks to be a Lancer.... looking at his pill box cap (second left)? The chap on the far right is an Hussar of some sort.... again from the "Other Ranks Hussars" pattern on the top of his pill box cap.

[BROOKIES]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Well finally !!!

Proof of the DHY "Troop" NCO Arm badge... from Corporal upwards. It looks like a bullion badge in blues and either a worsted wool or white metal in SD. I hope to get some hi res scans from a friend shortly that should give some greater detail At the point of the Yeoman starting to wear the overseas service badge on the uniform the NCO arm badge appears to have gone.... so 1913 there appears to be a Regimental dress reg change in service dress?

The close up of the two arm badges (at this low resolution) shows that the badge (and rank) worn on SD is on an army blue backing and the badge is white....... the badge worn on blues looks to be bullion on a blue cloth (I think I have one of these, or similar, in my collection)

Blimey that marksman must have been running all over South Africa what with a QSA with what looks like 8 bars