Artillery badge to identify ?

[sturgis]

I have a question about this cap badge. It is supposedly a Gunner who was posted to line the mall on the Queen's coronation but I can't pin down the cap badge even though the collar dogs appear to be artillery grenades? I was thinking maybe a Yeomanry-type artillery regiment ? Any insights are welcome.
Richard.

[3dg]

Looks like the Wessex wyvern cap badge, with the solid WESSEX tablet on the bottom.
Could be way off, and odd with grenade collars?
Chris

[mike_vee]

Originally Posted by sturgis

It is supposedly a Gunner who was posted to line the mall on the Queen's coronation

National Archives has a map of the Coronation route and states :

The troops lining the route will be; The Mall: Brigade of Guards; Trafalgar Square to the Abbey and back: Royal Navy, with Officer Cadets of all three Services in Parliament Square; Cockspur Street: Canadian Military Forces; Pall Mall to Marble Arch: The Army; and Oxford Street back to the Haymarket: Royal Air Force. Below are the approximate times of the return Procession.

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/...nation-map.jpg

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[3dg]

If the photo is from a soldier from the coronation, then it can't be the Wessex cap badge as I believe that didn't come out until 1958.
Unless there is a cadet cap badge of similar Shape??
Chris

[leigh kitchen]

Hadn't thought of Wessex, I wondered if it could be The Buffs but would there be a TA unit wearing RA collar badges?
Wessex looks good for the cap badge, but the collar badges?
The "Coronation route liner" could be a red herring.

[grey_green_acorn]

410 (Kent) Coast Regiment formed part of 101 Coast Brigade. When the coast artillery branch was disbanded in 1956 the regiment was converted to the infantry role becoming 5th Battalion The Buffs (Royal East Kent Regiment).

So perhaps a Buffs cap badge with Royal Artillery collar badges worn in the mid 1950s transition era?

Tim

[sturgis]

Better photo ... I agree and leaning towards the Buffs (though the Brecknocks Btn. SWB is a closer fit to the badge but was that not out of use at the time or was it ? The Brecknockshire Battalion - reformed in 1939 and transferred to the Royal Artillery in 1947. according to Wikki..) ,, and looks like 'ubique' collar dogs ?

[sturgis]

I found this....
In 1947 the Brecknock Battalion was reconstituted as the 638th (Brecknock) Light Antiaircraft Regiment and based in Brecon. In 1955 the battalion was amalgamated with the 637th (3rd Battlion The Monmouthshire Regiment) Heavy Antiaircraft Regiment to form the new 638th (Brecknockshire and Monmouthshire) Light Antiaircraft Regiment.[1]

and seeing as the man in the photo is from the Abergavenny area I am now leaning toward this at it was a Territorial unit. They must have kept their cap badge for a while or till disbandment.

What do you think ?
Richard

[Hoot]

The Buffs looks more likely than the Brecknocks going by the outline of the badge.

[3dg]

The wing is higher, I'd say Breconshire.

[leigh kitchen]

The lower part of the badge looks more Buffs than Brecknock to me.

[magpie]

I was hoping an answer may have been here.

[eddie]

Originally Posted by sturgis

I found this....
In 1947 the Brecknock Battalion was reconstituted as the 638th (Brecknock) Light Antiaircraft Regiment and based in Brecon. In 1955 the battalion was amalgamated with the 637th (3rd Battlion The Monmouthshire Regiment) Heavy Antiaircraft Regiment to form the new 638th (Brecknockshire and Monmouthshire) Light Antiaircraft Regiment.[1]

and seeing as the man in the photo is from the Abergavenny area I am now leaning toward this at it was a Territorial unit. They must have kept their cap badge for a while or till disbandment.

What do you think ?
Richard

Hi,
As stated in Norman Litchfield book territorial artillery, 3rd Monmouthshire retained their dragon capbadge and officer’s also wearing the dragon collars , ors wearing artillery collars not sure how long these were worn until fully wearing complete artillery insignia. (Have the odd photo but does show the insignia that well). 1st Monmouthshire regiment also retained their capbadge when they were transferred to the artillery, also wearing rifle black buttons but again not sure how long they were worn until fully wearing artillery insignia.

Cheers,
Dave

[eddie]

Hi,
Also have this section from a local booklet at the time , regarding Monmouthshire TA.
Cheers,
Dave

[BROOKIES]

Dave.

Is the dragon in the image the right one for the 3rd Mons.

Ta

Jonathan