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07-02-08, 07:29 PM
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The King's (Liverpool Regiment)......Restrike/Copy??
Hi all,
Aquired this through eBay, not 100% convinced its original. Any thoughts? If it is a restrike - how can you tell? I'm new and learning. Front  Side - Brass mounted onto Gilded?  Back  Cheers Steve 
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#2
07-02-08, 08:31 PM
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Well, it does look rather shiny. It seems to be made in the right way, GM scroll on WM underplate with 5 braze holes 3 rectangular (there should be one under the slider) and two circular ones. The back looks a bit TOO aged as does perhaps the slider.
I have to say, from the photograph I don't like it, but actually having the piece in your hand may be different. This particular badge was introduced in 1926 as pattern 10042/1926 and was in use until a new pattern (a smaller version) appeared in 1950. See my post in the "Kings, for the various Lancs....." thread on different types of this pattern. Julian
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#3
07-02-08, 08:54 PM
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Hi Julian,
I think you are right - its in the tail. Your Type 1 The horses tail, the swirls seem to be different. Then on another photo The ' in King's seems to be wrong, it is central rather than slightly to the left. I'm confused. Oh well, the mystery continues - but its right in the suspect box Cheers Steve
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08-02-08, 06:46 AM
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Steve,
It's not so much the swirls on the tail but the length of the tails - and the attitude of the hind legs. The second photograph you show is actually of two patterns. The two on the left are pattern 4362A/1896 - ie introduced 1896 though the sliders must postdate 1906 and the fused hind legs on the middle badge must postdate 1908 at least. This is the badge that became well known in the 1st WW. This pattern was worn until 1926 when it was superseded by pattern 10042/1926 - as that on the right in your second photo (a Type 1). Apart from posture size etc, it is the lettering on the scroll that changed significantly. Hope this clears it up Julian
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08-02-08, 08:24 AM
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Hi Steve
Badge is spot on, dont worry about it, most copies of this badge are of the horse's tail which do not reach the ground, yours has the sweat holes to the scroll and at the bottom of the horsed feet. Steve
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#7
08-02-08, 12:15 PM
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Dear Steve (P),
The badge may well be genuine, it is a very common one. The one with the long tail (Type 1) seems to be the most common of the three. Type 2 is certainly the least common. There are variations of Type 1; some have only 3 rectangular braze holes, some have a longer (av 46mm) slider. Type 2 comes with and without 2 braze holes. I have yet to see a Type 3 with braze holes. (I put more detail in the original thread) Julian
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08-02-08, 04:16 PM
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See link to picture of the Guant pattern card in my collection.
Note length of tail P.B. http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...t/DSCF5895.jpg Last edited by Peter Brydon; 08-02-08 at 04:17 PM. Reason: spelling error
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08-02-08, 05:09 PM
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Peter kindly showed me this carded Type 3 last year and the interesting thing about it is that although on a Gaunt card it doesn't actually have the makers name on the actual badge !! Also interesting in that this type was (still) being made after 1952, which is one of the reasons why I think that this type was later in date than the other two.
Can anyone tell me more about these cards. Last edited by KLR; 08-02-08 at 05:26 PM.
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