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Grenadier Guards - "J.R. Gaunt Montreal".
Gentlemen,
your thoughts on this one please? Is it; a. A badge made in Canada for the Canadian Grenadier Guards. b. A badge made in Canada for use by the British Grenadier Guards. c. Possibly both. Could anyone please add the possible period of use/rough date of manufacture? |
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Andy,
a. A badge made in Canada for the Canadian Grenadier Guards. Date- WW1 ish, IMHO. regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges |
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Simon has it. The Gaunt concern in Montreal made badges for the Canadian market. There is nothing in the record to suggest the badges went to the UK.
Dating is a bit more of an issue. The Canadian Grenadier Guards plain grenade badge, without the royal cypher, is not recorded in the standard references but other sources indicate it was worn by the CGG. It was worn around the time of the First World War, but the CEF battalion supposedly only wore a cypher pattern badge. (This has been challenged and research has suggested tha the plain grenade pattern was worn as well.) It has been suggested that the badge was worn post FWW as well. A similar badge (if not the same pattern as this one) was also worn by the 10th Royal Grenadiers of Toronto, and a plain flaming grenade badge was also worn by the 11th Regiment (Irish Fusiliers). The latter is supposed to be a bit larger in overall size.
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Res ipsa loquitur Last edited by Bill A; 31-01-15 at 12:58 PM. |
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There is a small amount of papers concerning the Canadian operation amongst the Gaunt archives in Birmingham Reference Library. Apart from their existence I did not make any detailed notes but remember that most of it concerned the business side.
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In my Canadian Artillery badges only the pre - 1926 badges have the Gaunt, Montreal plate, if that assists in dating.
regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges |
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A non-cyphered grenade badge was worn by the CEF 245th Bn in which the lower flames went slightly upwards from horizontal. See: http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/can...e/cef_e245.htm
Andy's badge is not that one. The 87th CEF had a similar pattern with a cypher, as Bill notes, as well as one with "pointier" flames: http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/can...ce/cef_e87.htm Could the one Andy is showing be a 1920's Winnipeg Grenadiers badge? Cheers, Ian. |
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Out of interest, what makes you think Gaunt Montreal badges were made in Canada and even more of interest, if so, where?
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Dave. |
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Here's another example with such a plate to the Scottish Horse: http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...light=Montreal
Best, Marcus |
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