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Volunteer Battalions
Hello,
Can anyone tell me how many volunteer battalions the Welsh Regiment and the Buffs had 1881- 1902. Thanks, Kevin |
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The Buffs had two, the 2nd Kent (East Kent) RVC and the 5th Kent (Weald of Kent) RVC.
The Welsh had four, the 1st Pembrokeshire (Pembroke, Carmarthen and Haverfordwest) RVC, 1st Glamorganshire RVC, 2nd Glamorganshire RVC and 3rd Glamorganshire RVC. These battalions all became part of their affiliated regiments without change of title in July 1881. Last edited by Toby Purcell; 23-05-22 at 10:42 PM. |
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The above are the predecessors of their numbered Volunteer Battalions, which were as follows.
Buffs 1VB from 1883 2VB from 1883 Welsh 1VB from 1887 2VB from 1887 3VB from 1887. regards
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I count 2 for The Buffs (East Kent Regiment). And I count 3 for The Welsh Regiment (on first sight it looks like 4, but the 3rd Glamorganshire RVC was never designated as a Volunteer Battalion).
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Henk,
You are incorrect. The 3rd Glamorgan RVC were the 4th VB Welsh Reg't, it is just that they did not change their title after 1881. Hwyl, Kevin |
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Well, it is a bit about semantics.
The question was indeed "how many volunteer battalions" and I was unsure if the OP meant functionality or designations. Thus my remark was more a pointer to the fact that some volunteer battalions stayed designated as RVC (and later as VRC). Thus to enable the OP to decide for himself if he wants to include that one in his count or not. And as you can see on the page I linked to,, it says in the first paragraph: Quote:
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This is not about semantics, it is about fact.
You clearly state that "the 3rd Glamorganshire RVC was never designated as a Volunteer Battalion". They were the 4th VB Welsh and remained so until they became the 6th territorial battalion in 1908. |
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The retention of the RVC title after becoming a VB on the establishment was not unique to the Welsh Regt. There were lots of other VBs who chose to retain the old titles. The creation of the TF was also not also so straightforward as whilst many had a simple lineage and re-numbering some VB units were merged or even disbanded.
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I quote from Tracing the Rifle Volunteers by Ray Westlake.
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The change was from RVC to VRC but I believe that for the purposes of establishment they still fell into the VB structure.
If there had been another Welsh VB raised then it would have been 5th VB not the 4th as that was the VRC's place. It's pedantry perhaps but as far as the WD were concerned they were within the VB establishment. |
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But that is what it makes so interesting. They are all the same, but do not want to be so, thus they give themselves unique names, stick to it to the utmost, etc. When not, then there wouldn't even have been a Welsh Regiment, just 41st Infantry or so.
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Hello Henk,
Well done indeed. I think your Web-site is first class and extremely helpful. The proof of most puddings (in relation to volunteer battalion cap badges and glengarries) is when one can actually see, and even hold, a genuine example. Sadly, some examples are now so scarce one begins to wonder whether or not they actually existed !!!!!!!! |
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As a novice it is easy to get confused .
From "Collecting Metal Shoulder Titles" By Ray Westlake. 1859 3rd Glamorganshire R.V.C. raised in Swansea. 1881 Became a volunteer bn of the Welsh Regiment. 1908 Became 6th (Glamorgan) Bn (TF). Wiki doesn't help with this sentence , even though it lists Frederick and Westlake as sources. Quote:
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There should be no confusion. If you simply consult the Regimental History- History Of The Services Of The 41st (the Welch) Regiment, Lomax 1899. Bottom of page 293 on.
Last edited by 41st; 26-05-22 at 08:03 AM. |
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