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#1
08-06-22, 11:53 AM
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Fixings and Lugs upon AIF badges...
For devices that were worn by the A.I.F., I have wondered whether the fixings/lugs on the back are a method of dating them...certain items - such as the numerals and the Corps identification acronyms - can be placed before the date of their being proscribed (presuming that their manufacture halted once the Department of Defence ceased to pay for them, though their use by soldiers may have continued long afterwards) but most of the items that I have ever come across are unmarked...were there specialist makers of fixings/lugs separate to the badge makers? - if so, could fixings that are found on an early badge able to be found upon a later item simply because of supply/stock holding by the badge striker?...are certain types of fixing used by an identifiable manufacturer?...the British-made badges would follow expected fixing/lug identities and the sand-case/theatre-made items would always be exceptions, but - especially among the Corps identities - certain items were quite crudely cast and others finely struck...does anyone know who made what for the A.I.F. - and when - just by looking at the fixings/lugs?
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#2
08-06-22, 12:09 PM
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Fixings and Lugs upon AIF badges...
...some more examples of the backs of some of my badges...the Canadians did have some items similar to the A.I.F., but they are invariably larger, well-marked/dated and are oxidised differently...the British-made items are rarely oxidised - have only seen the General Service cap/collar badges made by J.R. Gaunt fully oxidised - usually having the typical British Officer's service dress quality finish to them...
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#3
09-06-22, 11:56 AM
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Fixings and Lugs upon AIF badges...
...a few more of my duplicates - to illustrate the variation in fixings/lugs...the makers of the sand-cast/theatre-made pieces have used either brass cotter-pins, or just strips of copper sheet, to make the lugs - these crudely-made examples of the General Service badge I always pick up whenever they appear because each one is different, though the hat badges come about way more often than do the collars but the ALHR cast examples are almost never to be found...the British-made RAA hat badge illustrates the typical lugs to be found - this is one of the few that has been oxidised, the other British-made examples which I find all have the bronzed 'service-dress' finish to them...
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#4
10-06-22, 04:43 AM
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hey
your number 5 in the first post would be British and not Australian imo. Australian badges didn't use those types of hex lugs. the attachments to the rear would be more from different manufacturer variations than a way of dating a badge, again imo. bc
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#5
11-06-22, 01:06 PM
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I have a rising sun with the hex lugs (I've posted a pic of mine on this site before), so I'd say Australia didn't manufacture badges with the hex lugs, but we did use them. Dan
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#6
15-06-22, 03:09 PM
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Fixings and Lugs upon AIF badges...
...the "INF" title was worn well after it (and other unit identifying devices) was stipulated to be removed in 1916 - my private-purchased tunic as well as the British-made example both sport the device being worn post regulation...(8{
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#7
19-06-22, 05:06 PM
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...here is an example of a 1930-42 period Australian Armoured Corps collar badge with the drilled-through type of fixings...it is maker-marked on the back: 'Angus & Coote' (instituted as a jewelry manufacturing company in 1895) so could/should this type of fixing always be attributed to this particular manufacturer?...(8{
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#8
20-06-22, 02:22 AM
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Martin,
More very nice tunics. Your private-purchase tunic looks very stock standard, there doesn't seem to be anything 'flash' about it, normally you'd expect to see it tailored in some way. What makes it private-purchase, is there a lining inside the tunic? Dan
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#9
20-06-22, 05:01 AM
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...yep...it is fully lined with a thin, chocolate-coloured cotton; the sleeves are also lined in typical striped flannel; the collar has two gathered pleats down each side...admittedly the buttons are not the expected leather-knotted variety and the brass buckled integral belt are in the same style as issue tunics...(8{
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#10
23-06-22, 08:20 PM
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Fixings and Lugs upon AIF badges...
...some more items from the reserve collection...the trade/proficiency badges are in an oxidised finish, as per A.I.F. requirements; are quite thick stampings; have thicker, drawn-wire lugs/loops on the reverse...the General Service hat badge has the drilled-through lugs seen on the Angus & Coote item - the larger crown and broader ray-burst typical of Australian-made examples...(8{
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#11
24-06-22, 06:30 PM
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Fixings and Lugs upon AIF badges...
...some more of the same...for those aficionados of the hexagon lug, the first 'RAA' title pictured is British-made for the A.I.F. - worn by the Siege Artillery, after proscription...the second, an Australian-made example, has simple drawn-wire lugs and is one of the very few items I have that is maker marked - Stokes & Sons Melb...the 'AAS' title is one that I have had trouble identifying, but is British-made all the same...the brass triangular lugged items are by one manufacturer that I haven't identified...(8{
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#12
06-02-24, 11:52 AM
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Fixings and Lugs upon AIF badges...
...added a matching item - British-made - to pair up with my existing 5th ALHR badge - it's with with his mate, now...
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#13
07-02-24, 06:34 AM
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What is the AAS title?
I agree with BC that the lugs can't be used as an indication of the date of manufacture and were just maker variations.
At present, when we have time, I (and another collector of metal titles) plan to make a list of known examples. I have the official clothing stores list of pre 1916 titles that were approved, which is a good start, not that we have seen examples of all of them. I also have images from Bob Gray and other collections. Then, of course, there are ofher possibly unofficial titles we have seen which appear to be Australian but we can't be sure. One title I have never seen is the AAS illustrated in this thread. What is it??? Thanks
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#14
07-02-24, 07:14 AM
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#15
07-03-24, 07:22 PM
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...another A.I.F. badge with lugs that need identifying to a particular manufacturer...(8{
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