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Old 05-02-11, 03:15 AM
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Default Middlesex Regiment OSD Variants

Hi all,

I recently acquired a WW2 period OSD Middlesex Regiment badge attributed to 2nd Lieutenant. Patrick Maxwell Lyon, 2nd Battalion, 73167, killed in action defending Dunkirk, buried Coxyde Military Cemetry, May 28, 1940. It is a well made badge, much finer with a flat back quite different than my original OSD one that is die struck. I have illustrated them both to show the differences.

Then I thought why not throw on my post WW2 Sergeants and Warrant Officers silver plate badge made by Gaunt. Regular (K&K 1672) BM badge but from two different manufacturers presumably as one all with brazing holes evident and the other brazing and tangs. 7th, 8th and 9th TF battalion BM SA scroll version (K&K 1743) and economy brass version.

So have put them all in an album under Middlesex Regiment.

Enjoy the differences, cheers Dean.
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Old 05-02-11, 04:16 PM
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Nice osd cap badge, great when you know the story behind it
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Old 05-02-11, 05:57 PM
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Without even trying to place any doubt on the authenticity of these badges, I have read with consistancy, references being made to lugged OSD badges being collar badges and those with blades are cap badges ??

mooke07 is showing some lovely examples but is it wrong to describe the lugged badges as cap badges ??

Andy L.

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Old 05-02-11, 06:04 PM
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I tend to agree with Andy L, nice badges but probably 99% for sure Collar badges!

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Attached is my favourite Middlesex OSD cap badge, I like the separation of the feathers.
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Old 05-02-11, 07:54 PM
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I'd possibly agree that where cap and collar badges are of the same type and size, they are distinguished by their fixings. However, I have a (1896 Pattern) KLR OSD cap badge - ie a different design to the collar badges - with loops and I have a theory that these might be the earliest (ie 1902 ish) versions !!??
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I'd possibly agree that where cap and collar badges are of the same type and size, they are distinguished by their fixings. However, I have a (1896 Pattern) KLR OSD cap badge - ie a different design to the collar badges - with loops and I have a theory that these might be the earliest (ie 1902 ish) versions !!??
Julian,
hence my reason for staing 99%, as there are sure to be the scarce exception, I do not however think that the "Die Hards" fall into the 1%

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Old 05-02-11, 08:40 PM
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Many thanks yet again for the badge knowledge of my Forum friends,

I had assumed that the Middlesex Regiment collars were without scroll as they were simply too large to be worn with regimental scroll attached. I now know that I should have looked properly in Churchill and yes indeed an obvious assumption wrong yet again.

Churchill has two different pattern collars 1451 and 1452 that were in bronze and were worn in pairs. From 1902 and these are a lugged cap badge really. I had originally looked and seen the many collars without regimental scroll hence my wrong assumption.

There is plenty of narrative in Churchill, however, that the large size of these cap/collar badges gave way to the collar illustrated in silver as 1453 which was also worn on forage caps. Hybrid cap/ collars are also described. plenty of room for further study here!

Several points of learning - when you have good reference books make sure you read them in detail and post your badges on the Forum as there is more knowledge here than in the books.

Thanks again one and all, cheers Dean.
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Here's a few Middlesex collar pairs for comparison.

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1. Scrolless Bronze
2. Full size with scroll, there are actually a fraction larger than the cap badge I posted earlier which is annoying.
3. Silver plate
4. Early silver & gilt
5. NCO's with backing felt
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Old 06-02-11, 02:47 AM
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Thanks for posting the collars Keith, some beauties there, like the silver plate ones - are all of the Gaunt marked ones like mine accompanied with the P mark as well?

They are a very big collar with the scroll. Will correct my album and will be watchful of lugged badges as collars as more of a rule in future.

Cheers Dean.
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Hi gents,

Referring to the debate about lugged OSDs. There was such a badge in Bosleys latest online auction Lot 193 for The Rifle Brigade, which like Keith's example dates from between 1910 and 1937 and could not be described as a collar.

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