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Old 01-03-09, 06:44 PM
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I would like to see the one in bullion, I've never seen that one apart from the modern day AAC examples.

Rubicon, you will see that yours is identical to the ones on ebay which in my view is the most common replica:

370162504871, 260363797438, 220360053879, 380089285376, 150308196283, 220299911672, 350171121209, 370162258991, 120378269740, 390031059999, 200309938691
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Old 01-03-09, 09:29 PM
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Thanks Luc, mine looks wrong now...
The main differences between your white metal cap badge and all the other seem to be in the eagle beak and claws which have a better definition on yours.
Do you assume all the original OR white metal cap badges are made exactly like yours? J-F
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Old 01-03-09, 09:37 PM
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[QUOTE=Luc;33569]I would like to see the one in bullion, I've never seen that one apart from the modern day AAC examples.

See for instance: Claude Smith: 'History of the Glider Pilot Regiment' between pp. 110-111; photo #20 or (same photo, but less clear) Alan Wood 'The Glider Soldiers' between pp. 186-187 S/Sgt. Tommy Moore MM.

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Old 01-03-09, 10:03 PM
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J-F, I assume that is Jean-Francois? As far as I know there are 2 WWII patterns of this badge in whitemetal, the one I show and the one with th die flaw.

Fougasse, I don't have either of those books, I don't suppose you can make a scan?
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I would like to see the one in bullion, I've never seen that one apart from the modern day AAC examples.

See for instance: Claude Smith: 'History of the Glider Pilot Regiment' between pp. 110-111; photo #20 or (same photo, but less clear) Alan Wood 'The Glider Soldiers' between pp. 186-187 S/Sgt. Tommy Moore MM.

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fougasse1940,
There was a rather nice bullion one pictured in a "recent" Bosleys sale
- and it went for a rather nice price as well. Seem to recall it being on
a red background. If you have these catalogues, it would be worth a
trawl over the last few years.
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Old 02-03-09, 01:18 PM
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fougasse1940,
There was a rather nice bullion one pictured in a "recent" Bosleys sale
- and it went for a rather nice price as well. Seem to recall it being on
a red background. If you have these catalogues, it would be worth a
trawl over the last few years.
david
Hi David,
Unfortunately I don't have any of the Bosleys catalogues, but would be very interested indeed in seeing the badge in colour, as all other unofficial bullion Airborne badges (RECCE, RA, RE, R Sigs, RASC & RAMC) had a maroon background.
So why did the AAC badge have a red background? Red being a colour not in any way associated with the AAC.

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Hi David,
Unfortunately I don't have any of the Bosleys catalogues, but would be very interested indeed in seeing the badge in colour, as all other unofficial bullion Airborne badges (RECCE, RA, RE, R Sigs, RASC & RAMC) had a maroon background.
So why did the AAC badge have a red background? Red being a colour not in any way associated with the AAC.

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I cannot post the picture due to copyright restrictions. But, if you can get hold of 25th July 2007 Bosleys postal auction catalog, item 201 - there is
a picture of an AAC bullion badge on a maroon background. Regardless
of where you got the info from, this is a silver wire on maroon version.
What can I say.......
I do not have the prices realised, but, I can imagine it wasn't cheap.....
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this is an A.A.C. badge that i have had for a long time.viewing earlier posts i assume its the o.r.s white metal version with solid crown and fault around the eagles head. if i am wrong im sure somebody will put me right.
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I cannot post the picture due to copyright restrictions. But, if you can get hold of 25th July 2007 Bosleys postal auction catalog, item 201 - there is
a picture of an AAC bullion badge on a maroon background. Regardless
of where you got the info from, this is a silver wire on maroon version.
What can I say.......
I do not have the prices realised, but, I can imagine it wasn't cheap.....
david
Anyone willing to part with his catalogue?
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Old 02-03-09, 07:05 PM
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Signalman that is a correct example of the "cast fault" type. Nickel plated brass, where the one with voided crown and no cast fault is made of solid nickel (or solid chrome as a metallurgist once suggested but I didn't feel like having it tested).
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Signalman that is a correct example of the "cast fault" type. Nickel plated brass, where the one with voided crown and no cast fault is made of solid nickel (or solid chrome as a metallurgist once suggested but I didn't feel like having it tested).
Luc I find that hard to believe, If nickel-plated surely the lugs would have been plated as well? I think the badge is made of white metal (64,5% Copper, 16,5% Zinc, 19,0% Nickel by weight, Royal Army Clothing Department Pattern No. 4481/1897) with brass lugs. The only officially nickel-plated badge I'm aware of is the early version of the PARA badge.
I've never ever heard of solid chrome.

How about slidered AAC badges? Are they any good?

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Old 02-03-09, 09:06 PM
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Not necessarily, it depends on how a badge is made. Stamped from sheet brass, plated and then lugs soldered is a common production method.
I'm pretty sure I've seen worn and dug up AAC cap badges that clearly show these were plated, but I can't seem to find a picture of that on my pc right now. I will look into this.

AAC cap badges with a slider are in my opinion all replicas.
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Old 03-03-09, 03:11 PM
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Not necessarily, it depends on how a badge is made. Stamped from sheet brass, plated and then lugs soldered is a common production method.
I'm pretty sure I've seen worn and dug up AAC cap badges that clearly show these were plated, but I can't seem to find a picture of that on my pc right now. I will look into this.

AAC cap badges with a slider are in my opinion all replicas.
Hi Luc,
You have to remember that:
gilding metal (86,7% Copper, 13,3% Zinc),
brass (67% Copper and 33% Zinc) and
white-metal (64,5% Copper, 16,5% Zinc, 19,0% Nickel) Are all metalurgically relatively similar.
Whatever chemical processes happen to them when buried could explain why dug-up badges might end up looking like being plated.
There is to my knowledge no evidence for the existence of plated AAC badges, other than silver-plated officers badges.
Neither is stamping from sheet brass, plating and then lugs soldering a common production method.
I wonder even if solder for the lugs or slider will hold on plating. Probably on nickel but on chrome?

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news J-F but as has been noted elsewhere - ALL of these die-struck, AAC badges with sliders (both marked and unmarked) are reproductions.

The "wear" has been added in an effort to give the badge some "age".

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I do not have the prices realised, but, I can imagine it wasn't cheap.....
david
Sold for £561 to be precise.

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