Fife and Forfar Yeomanry

[longbowman21]

This badge in my collection has been described to me by other collectors as either:
1. An old type police badge.
2. A fife and forfar yeomanry headress badge post 1908. described as an early example used purely by the regiment prior to WW1 (When they fought as the 14th Battalion Black watch)./

O/Rs example was supposed to be in copper.
Silver plate and Brass may have been used by senior NCO's or W/Officers.




If the image appears will be amazed.

Geoff

[54Bty]

The badge you have posted is listed as the Kepi badge for the Fife(shire) County Constabulary. It differs fom the F&FFY badge in the position of the shield, no sword and the helmet crest is not a long and does not trail as far back.

[Malcolm Davey]

Hi Geoff
I have a 1st edition Scottish Regimental Badges 1793-1971 by W.H and K.D Bloomer which also has the pencil corrections by the authors.
Plate 44 fig 282 Fife and Forfar Yeomanry, O/R's 1908-56, copper, and in pencil Proof Pattern.

Cheers
Malc

[Alan O]

Judging by the source it is a probably a restrike. .

Alan

[longbowman21]

Hi Malc, Thanks for that, this substantiates information received whil'st viewing a site on scottish badges from a sellers site on e-bay. 1908 proof pattern fife and forfar, and a site from a badge sellers web site in scotland, "Bluebell militaria". (Great site for top of the range of scottish items.)

[longbowman21]

Hello Alan, What makes you think that this item is a re-strike. The source was a site called "dug up" who sell items from metal detecting and from militaria fairs.
As far as I am aware, they are a genuine pair of sellers.

Geoff

[Alan O]

He states that he is no badge expert and his stock shows it. He is selling a Howe badge for £5 as genuine. As it is solid even a beginner can spot it is not genuine. To be fair he gives a refund policy. I must admit I thought he had given up dealing in militaria after he made the press last year following a Police raid.

Have a look at all of his yeoamnry badges and judge for yourself.

Alan

[KLR]

Have to agree with Alan - everything I've seen from that site is "wrong"

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by KLR

Have to agree with Alan - everything I've seen from that site is "wrong"

Yep, take it from me too..... I was duped in my early days of collecting.

[Mike]

And as 54Bty says the badge is Fife Constab. and is shown in the following book (plate 18 row d if anyone has a copy)




also in Cox's "Military Badges" page 163 both types shown with and without sword, - the without sword type is described simply as a variant.

here is my bog standard military type:





so looks like two options
1) Fife Constab. wore an identical badge to the yeomanry.
2) one of our books is wrong.

[sean michael cronin]

Possibly the most reproduced badge of them all, picked this one up in Scotland, Notice the piercing in the knights helmet ribbon, also you should be able to see some of the flowers dotted around in the grass under the hoses hooves. If you open the thumbnail and right click save picture as, you can insert it into a document on publisher and zoom it in. Cheers Sean,

[jim a]

Good stuff Sean... I'll have to dig out my only fife and forfar badge and check it this weekend

[cbuehler]

Yes, a heavily reproduced badge, but there is no great scarcity of genuine ones about as well. This badge was in use for quite sometime and there are variations. I too will check to see mine, but I believe it differs from the example shown here. One of my favorite British Army badges!

CB

[sean michael cronin]

Mind dont dismiss other badges without these details, may just be a more conciencsous manufacturer. Cheers Sean.

[lettman]

Thanks for this, Sean. I have one that is effectively identical to this, but I've never been sure about its authenticity. I take it yours is lugged?