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Old 16-04-09, 08:26 PM
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Chris,

In the same vein the 9 lancers and 3rd Hussars are fakes as well and should match these fakes. The regts disbanded wearing metal badges.

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Old 16-04-09, 08:30 PM
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Chris,

In the same vein the 9 lancers and 3rd Hussars are fakes as well and should match these fakes. The regts disbanded wearing metal badges.

Alan

Hi Alan,

I'll have to pick these up later I'm afraid but I will - concentrating on Scottish badges for now. No doubt there will be many others.

On a separate note if anyone has access to CCN (Catalogue of Clothing and Necessities) and COSA (Catalogue of Supplies and Ammunition) documents from 1950 to present day then please let me know. I have a couple but I really need all those related to anodised aluminium cap badges.

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Old 17-04-09, 05:19 PM
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Chris,

In the same vein the 9 lancers and 3rd Hussars are fakes as well and should match these fakes. The regts disbanded wearing metal badges.

Alan
I know the story with regard to the 3rd Hussars anodised made.But its the first time that ive heard that the 9th Lancers is fake.Could you expand further on the comment please.I know a guy that has a pair of anodised ollars as well as an anodised capbadge.
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Old 17-04-09, 05:35 PM
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The construction is identical to the known fakes such as the 3rd Hussars, Royal Wawickshires, Suffolks etc. All are mint condition, die struck and blank slidered. 9 lancers a/a badges certainly exist but I have yet to see one that is not like this. These were all avialble from a repro dealer in Essex a few years ago at £6 each. He had lots in stock but has sold out of the 'rare' ones now.

The 8th King Hussars were also still wearing k/c bi-metal badges when they amalgamated (there is a thread somehwere with more details) and I am amazed that a Q/C a/a 8 KRIH badge has not been faked yet!

Additionally there are a number of publications that list a/a badges. An a/a 9L is noticably absent in Kipling and King's Vol 2. I have another article somewhere that lists the a/a badges and states that the 9L is indeed not contempory. I will see if I can find it.

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Old 17-04-09, 06:33 PM
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I was always led to believe that the 4th and the 8th were never done.But there was a genuine looking 4th that appeared not long ago.
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Old 17-04-09, 07:04 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Scarce-Hampshi...1%7C240%3A1318

This is one badge that I would not want to pay more than £5 for. The Hants Carbineers were gone by the late 50s but these mint badges turn up again and again.

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Old 17-04-09, 07:20 PM
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Heres another for you Alan, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Badge-The-Suff...1%7C240%3A1318
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Old 17-04-09, 07:28 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Scarce-Hampshi...1%7C240%3A1318

This is one badge that I would not want to pay more than £5 for. The Hants Carbineers were gone by the late 50s but these mint badges turn up again and again.

Alan
That badge is a fake made with a tin 'mirror' hollow back body probably from a set of pre-anodised era dies.

It has what looks like a genuine modern London Badge and Button co Ltd slider attached to it probably made of anodised aluminium.

If this badge HAS the anodised slider then I want it for my fakes chapter but I'm stuffed if I'm going to pay 18 quid for it.

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Old 17-04-09, 07:29 PM
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Mike,

More like 99p for that one!

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Old 17-04-09, 07:32 PM
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From what I can see I would be happy with this.

Mind you whether made as an authorised issue or an unofficial commission I currently have no idea - by the end of the year I might know for certain though.

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Old 17-04-09, 07:36 PM
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From what I can see I would be happy with this.

Mind you whether made as an authorised issue or an unofficial commission I currently have no idea - by the end of the year I might know for certain though.

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Chris
Look at the reverse of the scroll. Does it 'mirror' the obverse like a lot of the Scottish badges I'm calling fake? No it don't.

Mind you before everybody goes ape s**t for it remember it is without a slider and as such I personally would not buy it.

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Old 18-04-09, 06:53 PM
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This was a regt who was wearing k/c metal badges on their amalgamation in 1958. Their TA Bn was also amalgamated in 1958 and wore a bespoke TA badge. Therefore there were no Regular pattern a/a badges made for them in the mid 1960s as there were for some TA Bns.

No CCF or ACF wore this badge either as the East Anglia Bde all converted to RAnglian units. Add to that the 1968 TAVR III units did not include a Suffolk badged unit (unlike the RLeics for example).

Now John Gaylor's book states that these badges were made but not issued. Coincidentally he apparently had lots to sell. Mmmm.......

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Old 18-04-09, 07:44 PM
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The Suffolk Regiment

Catalogue number CB 3117. Pattern number 16978, sealed on the 8th November 1955, added to vocab 5th October 1956. Introduced for wear by Change 7661 published in December 1956.

As with all the new badges, 'old stock will be used up first'.

The Royal Regiment of Gloucestershire and Hampshire

Published in the 1973 CCN with NSN CB 8455-99-135-1649, the back badge was silver with the NSN CB 8455-99-122-7877, this was carried over as the back badge for the Gloucestershire Regiment.

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Old 18-04-09, 08:04 PM
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Nice information but inconclusive. CCNs also authorised all of the WW2 cavalry badges for regts that were disbanded in 1946 and these were never made.

Were any Suffolk badges actually needed in 1956-8 and more importantly made? While CCN records show that the badges were authorised it does not show production unfortunately.

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Old 18-04-09, 08:07 PM
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Mike,

From what I can see I would be happy with this.

Mind you whether made as an authorised issue or an unofficial commission I currently have no idea - by the end of the year I might know for certain though.

Regards

Chris
Hi Gents,
My example of the anodised suffolk Regt cap badge has a rear the same as that pictured ( i.e behind the scroll is solid at the rear) and has a slider marked H.W Timmings in the usual small stamped print of this maker.

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