My Pals Battalions

[41st]

Hi Gerwyn,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but both of your 16th collars are modern copies.
Hwyl,
Kevin

[pioneercorps]

Originally Posted by Jelly Terror

Dave Moore has slightly better shots of it in his album. It comes with watertight provenance, having been issued to his grandfather.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ictureid=46975

Regards,

JT

Hi JT

Thank you for the photo. I still cant get over why they would they go to all that trouble in making a repro, which looks a better quality than the original.

Just did a search on line, and I found one that was identical to mine, tried to copy and paste it, but it didn't work on here.

Gerwyn

[pioneercorps]

Originally Posted by 41st

Hi Gerwyn,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but both of your 16th collars are modern copies.
Hwyl,
Kevin

Hi Kevin

Your not a bearer of of bad news.

When I bought them, I just liked them, and they went with John Gaylor's Pals section.

Apart from my Regiments of the Line in 1914 which I hope are genuine, the rest I called my odds and sods.

Gerwyn

[billy]

In post #11 I do like that copy, actually better than the original, I hope I have this right?

[pioneercorps]

Thank you all, you’ve rekindled my interest again in my badges.

When I did a search on the Middlesex Works badge, the one I found that looked like the one I have, it had a makers mark stamp on the rear, the makers were Firmin London established in 1655, so I went and checked mine by using a magnifying glass, never noticed or looked for one before, mine had the makers mark Firmin London stamped on it.

Gerwyn

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by pioneercorps

Thank you all, you’ve rekindled my interest again in my badges.

When I did a search on the Middlesex Works badge, the one I found that looked like the one I have, it had a makers mark stamp on the rear, the makers were Firmin London established in 1655, so I went and checked mine by using a magnifying glass, never noticed or looked for one before, mine had the makers mark Firmin London stamped on it.

Gerwyn

It'd be great to see the maker mark on your Public Works badge, Gerwyn. As I'm sure you're aware, perfectly good close-ups can be taken using your phone and a jeweller's loup, or other sorts of lenses.

JT

[dubaiguy]

Originally Posted by Jelly Terror

It'd be great to see the maker mark on your Public Works badge, Gerwyn. As I'm sure you're aware, perfectly good close-ups can be taken using your phone and a jeweller's loup, or other sorts of lenses.

JT

Notwithstanding the poor photo, if I had just seen the reverse I would have said it looks like a kosher full size Firmin marked OSD collar with a fake scroll added. What looks like w/m parts on the front though may suggest otherwise.

[pioneercorps]

Originally Posted by Jelly Terror

It'd be great to see the maker mark on your Public Works badge, Gerwyn. As I'm sure you're aware, perfectly good close-ups can be taken using your phone and a jeweller's loup, or other sorts of lenses.

JT

Hi JT

The makers stamp, is the same as the one on mine.

Will try to take a better photo.

Gerwyn

[magpie]

Your public works is a known fake and made by a well known dealer , they also came in a silver metal and stamped silver on the back along with the firmin mark

[pioneercorps]

Originally Posted by dubaiguy

Notwithstanding the poor photo, if I had just seen the reverse I would have said it looks like a kosher full size Firmin marked OSD collar with a fake scroll added. What looks like w/m parts on the front though may suggest otherwise.

Hi dubaiguy

OSD means.

No w/m on it.

Gerwyn

[gb64]

Hello Gerwyn, OSD = Officer’s Service Dress , as said it does very much look like an OSD collar badge especially the rear,with parts added certainly not an original Public Works badge , as far as I’m no aware they weren’t any with a maker mark & only with sliders not loops & originals have a distinctive shape in that the scroll ends are a lot flatter, also the fixings of the scroll has 3 again distinctive larger tabs to secure it to the badge .

Gerard

[pioneercorps]

Originally Posted by gb64

Hello Gerwyn, OSD = Officer’s Service Dress , as said it does very much look like an OSD collar badge especially the rear,with parts added certainly not an original Public Works badge , as far as I’m no aware they weren’t any with a maker mark & only with sliders not loops & originals have a distinctive shape in that the scroll ends are a lot flatter, also the fixings of the scroll has 3 again distinctive larger tabs to secure it to the badge .

Gerard

Hi Gerard.

Thank you for this information.

The one I seen with the stamp on, I couldn't down load.

Gerwyn

[pioneercorps]

Hi all

I tried taken better quality photos ?.

The stamp not clear.

Gerwyn

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[Luke H]

Originally Posted by pioneercorps

Hi all

I tried taken better quality photos ?.

The stamp not clear.

Gerwyn

Attachment 280930

The mark is Firmin.

These are known fakes commissioned by a dealer some years ago.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=43296

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=80028

[pioneercorps]

Originally Posted by magpie

Your public works is a known fake and made by a well known dealer , they also came in a silver metal and stamped silver on the back along with the firmin mark

Hi magpie

Its the same style stamp, has the other ones I seen on Firmin London web site which go back many years.

Gerwyn