GROVE B'HAM Fake Mark

[CAM]

... this thread and some of the misinformation about makers and marks is starting to feel like Donald Trumps Twitter account.[/QUOTE]

[Nozzer]

I must admit that I am somewhat confused by all this. However, for what it it is worth I have two Norfolk Regiment badges, both from the same die, one marked

LAMBOURNE'S BIRMINGHAM

The other marked

LAMBOURNE & Co BIRMINGHAM

Well, actually I have several Norfolk Regiment badges from this die. Some are marked as above and some are unmarked. One even has a "hairpin slider".

So, if what has been said above is correct and I am reading this right, I have two badges from the same die, but made by two different companies with very similar names. Oh and they could be fake because marked sliders were rarely seen years ago. Now I am really confused

[Nozzer]

I have a 1916 all GM Middlesex Regiment cap badge with

F.N.
B'HAM

on the shank (slider). I take it that it is a fake? The hammer is poised.......

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by mike_vee

Hi guys , as a 'novice' this "tennis match" has my head spinning !

Can someone clarify a couple of points for me :

1. Is this "discussion" about specific badges/marks from one period of time ?

or

2. Is it about the name/names used by the company ?

A quick search brought up a couple of items :



and



So , were there 2 different companies or 2 'branches' of the same company making (and marking) different items ?

I may have missed something but a basic explanation would be helpful.


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I don’t understand what Paul is driving at.

Firstly he asserted Lambourne weren’t a WW1 manufacturer as they were not in his research findings. That would logically make any GM economy badge by them fake.

Second, he seems to indirectly insinuate Lambourne & Co marked badges (at least) are repro and the company was never known as ‘Lambourne & Co’ or marked its wares as such.

On both points he is wrong.

Lambourne were marking metal badges in WW1 this is born out in the Board of Trade Labour Gazette 1914-19 as referenced earlier credit to Ticker’s research. The dates of the contracts awarded are shown. The company is referred to as ‘Lambourne & Co, 159, Great Charles Street Birmingham’ in the gazette.

Paul has discounted this primary source as a typo.

The below hallmarked sweetheart badges are clearly marked Lambourne & Co Birmingham. They are dated to 1915 and 1916.

I expect to hear these are also spurious or are a another typo so I’m tapping out of this thread now.

[Paul Spellman]

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[mike_vee]

Originally Posted by Luke H

The below hallmarked sweetheart badges are clearly marked Lambourne & Co Birmingham. They are dated to 1915 and 1916.

Thanks for taking the time to reply Luke.

I've seen those badges , on reputable dealer sites , so was simply trying to find out if they were genuine.

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[Rob Miller]

Its Lambourne & Co on the other ranks General Service Buttons, but I have to say these are pretty scarce compared to other makes such as Twigg for example mentioned earlier.

I do wonder about the term "Metal Badges", this isn't necessarily just cap badges, it could easily be shoulder titles, buttons and possibly many other options too.

Rob

[mike_vee]

Originally Posted by Paul Spellman

Another company Lambournes marked their wares Lambournes and were never known as Lambournes & Co.
Genuine OSD badges can be found plus many other items they made as well as their advertising over the period of their history shows only Lambournes with no (& Co)

Just to add to the confusion I found this on-line :

Peck's Trades Directory of Birmingham, 1896-97

Lambourne & Co, jewellery, Granville street

From Grace's Guide

"1886 The company was founded (presumably by Thomas Barrett Lambourne), to produce Spats, Rigid Braces, Buttons and Studs for the gentry. Initially had premises in Granville Street and Great Western Buildings, Livery Street."

"1911 Moved to premises in Great Charles Street, Birmingham."

So , it appears to be the same company but the big question is .........

....... when did they actually change their name and makers mark ?

Is it possible that they were still using the original name/mark in 1914 ?

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[Rob Miller]

Originally Posted by Rob Miller

Its Lambourne & Co on the other ranks General Service Buttons, but I have to say these are pretty scarce compared to other makes such as Twigg for example mentioned earlier.

I do wonder about the term "Metal Badges", this isn't necessarily just cap badges, it could easily be shoulder titles, buttons and possibly many other options too.

Rob

Looking through my records I have noted a medium sized button, back mark "LAMBOURNES BIRM" so it appears in the case of buttons at least that both date from the same period but were abbreviated to fit on the smaller area.

Rob