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For reference I’ve attached a die struck and a die cast badge. Again not a single badge shown in this thread is ‘die struck’. Many of the die cast badges shown here do look the part and very convincing. The number of varieties it seems is staggering almost as many as members and one nearly wonders how they found time to fight the Germans and Italians between having all these badges made. It also feel this thread has more cloak and dagger action and responses (including lack of) by experts than an LRDG patrol. As Edy quite aptly said we’re all going to have to draw our own conclusions from research and what has been presented. |
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LRDG badges worn by deserters
In the book "The men who made the SAS" one of the chapters mentions the fact that when returning LRDG personnel were visiting Cairo they were ordered not to wear their cap badges as many deserters were wearing LRDG badges and posing as members of this elite unit to get free drinks and other perks.
The purpose was for MP's to pick up people wearing LRDG badges. My point in this thread is where did the deserters obtain these badges, certainly not from LRDG stores, so someone was manufacturing LRDG badges locally. If or when these impostors were apprehended what became of the badges they were wearing, kept as souvenirs by MP's, thrown in the rubbish bin, who knows? To get a badge from a veteran now with providence I would say almost impossible, but a very interesting thread nonetheless. Rob |
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Hi
Somewhere I have a copy of a photo of a man I knew who was definitely LRDG. He is sitting at a cafe table in Cairo (?) drinking Stella Artois with his buddies. He told me that this "beer" was made from onions..... Myths aside, he is wearing his LRDG cap badge. Also have a photo of him wearing his "kefia" (?) in a studio shot. The photo is not great quality but might be of interest to some. Any interest and I'll post to the Forum. |
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Very interesting to see the flat lugs making an appearance so early on. Edy |
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I am sure the flat lugs are contemporary to ME Cdo badge manufacture - also 'early on' - ie 50, 51, 52 ME Cdo formed Geneifa Egypt, circa 1 Aug 1940, 15 Oct 1940, 1 Nov 1940 respectively. I would think their distinctive badge would be issued virtually at the same time as LRDG. LRDG formed at Abbassia, Cairo, 3 July 1940. There are variants of the ME Cdo badge - but that is a whole new debate. Two examples of ME Cdo badge are attached. Mike Last edited by Mike B; 03-02-20 at 08:22 AM. |
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I have owned this badge for 15 years, prior to that it has been in two premier NZ LRDG collections. There is a forum member who has "a medal and document group to a NZ LRDG patrol leader, which came direct from the family of the recipient, and one of these badges was with the group." Atillas die staped LRDG badge obverse.jpgAtillas die staped LRDG badge.jpgAtillas die staped LRDG badge reverse 2.jpg |
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Looking at your badge I would describe is as die-cast. Die struck badges have the reverse imprint of the front detail where as die cast does not have the fine detail but it either flat or impressed (as yours is).
This is very different from casting a badge using just the front imprint or casting it using 'lost-wax' technique. Using Luke's badges as examples the 13th/18th is die-cast construction which is typical of a design which would be inherently weak if die struck. On the other hand the 13th Hussars badge is a very common fake from the Martin Marsh stable and is die struck so you see the detail on the reverse. Gaunt made this design as a die-cast badge for officers badges and I have a period die-cast one with a slider. Aaln |
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I'm in the die cast camp too.
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Thanks Edy |
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although the stable door has shut, normally a die-struck item would have shear marks as a result of the ' hob ' tool . I would have thought that a LRDG badge is too intricate to have been die-struck.
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It’s a die cast badge it is NOT die struck.
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These three badges all have something that the Steve Wende LRDG badge doesn't have.
Last edited by lifeochil; 03-02-20 at 08:58 PM. Reason: Spelling mistake |
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Edy, I added the diameter measurement to my post #90.
Cheers, Donovan
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