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Old 28-11-20, 10:05 AM
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Default 12th ( East Suffolk ) glengarry badge.

Hi All,
Another two additions to the Suffolk collection are on their way, one of them is a pagri badge, mentioned elsewhere, and the other, a glengarry badge, from the same source. I have been advised that buying glengarry badges is a bit like stepping into a minefield! However, I do feel fairly confident about this particular badge, it does actually look as if it's been around since 1881, to me, at least. It has had a small repair at some time in it's life, the key on the top has been replaced, and this certainly wasn't done yesterday, and the whole badge seems suitably ancient, what do you think?
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Old 28-11-20, 02:02 PM
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Chris don't forget repro/fake glengarry go back 100years + . Foxes reissues/ restrikes
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Old 28-11-20, 05:36 PM
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Well, David, I suppose I could learn to live with a hundred year old restrike, if I had to, no one else seems to have an opinion on this item, the seller did mention brass loops rather than copper, is that unusual?

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Old 28-11-20, 05:53 PM
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Chris,

People are reluctant to comment on the originality or otherwise of pre 1881 glengarry badges as there have been so many fakes produced, from the 100 year old ones that David mentions to several varieties of modern day fakes.

There are arguements that North and South loops are correct/incorrect similarly east and west. There are also arguements over Brass loops v Copper loops, brass loops being the favoured ones.

Many copies are simple to see at first glance due to wrong colours, worn dies and overall shoddy manufacture.

Real ones are very hard to tell from photographs and and need to be in the hand. The majority of forum members have little or no knowledge of such early badges, the majority being WW1 , WW2 and modern badge collectors.

I have some knowledge having collected Victorian badges but wouldnt now give an opinion having been shot down in the past by owners/sellers who are convinced they have the genuine article.

My best rule is to think of the following.

1. Is it of such excellent manufacture that was expected from craftsmen in the 1870's etc.

2. Has it got patina and dirt and wear consistent with being 150 years old?

Hope thats informative if not helpful

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Old 28-11-20, 06:05 PM
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Personally I believe the quality is not very good.
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Old 28-11-20, 07:50 PM
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Chris sadly one member who was very knowable on glengarry badges is now recently deceased I was lucky that he weighted and photograph my items , the officers he placed in his records He also sold me a 99th glengarry from his own collection which he states is the 3rd rarest Even though happy with mine .- like many others I would not give an opinion on other glengarry's Most of mine are ex Epworth trust collection
Chris re living with a 100 year old restrike in one of your posts you said only genuine items would be added as you wished for a museum standard collection
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Old 28-11-20, 08:33 PM
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Yes, David, museum quality is certainly the objective, I haven't accepted this glengarry badge into the collection yet. The badge isn't actually getting posted until Tuesday, so the dealer tells me. If the general opinion is that I'd be better off giving this one a miss, I could always cancel it and select a safer alternative.
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Smooth rear too.
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Old 29-11-20, 12:53 AM
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To my knowledge, the Pagri badge is fine. Regarding the Glen badge, I cannot comment with certainty as I do not collect them due to this, but my feeling is that it looks OK as well.

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Old 29-11-20, 07:13 AM
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Ah! Hooray, positive waves from across "The Pond" Anyhow, I have decided to stick with this glengarry badge, it's debatable pedigree does mean that it will never be any part of my Suffolk collection. A small 12th of Foot sub collection, wouldn't hurt, I guess, although, I'm thinking, that it will need to be small, I saw a £30 price tag, on a 12th of Foot button, yesterday!

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