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How easy would it be to stamp the 'makers name' on the slider?
Would it have been done by individuals or done when they were produced if the badge is a fake, or is it possible that someone was contracted to stamp 'x' amount of various badges with 'x' amount of various 'Makers.' Hope that makes sense. |
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This may go some way to answering your question https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...arples+Beasley
I’ve no doubt the stamp used to mark sliders is in the hands of the repro merchants. To date no genuine metal Other Ranks badge bearing a Marples & Beasley marked slider is known to exist. They made/marked officers badges and Anodised Aluminium badges. I think that answers the question of authenticity around these items. |
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Both original and copy badges have been stamped with this mark. Unfortunately a lot of original badges have been rendered worthless by this.
Just to muddy the waters, a number of original unmarked anodised badges have also been stamped in this way. Fortunately, the fake stamp is different to the genuine one used on original M&B anodised badges. The top line of both stamps is 16.5mm long but there are a number of differences: Genuine Stamp:
Fake Stamp:
If you have any anodised badges, with Marples & Beasley marked sliders, it's worth checking that you have the correct stamp as there are quite a few badges with the fake one in circulation. Graham
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Is this a fake mark? Flat back Yorkshire Brigade / Volunteers
Tim
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Apologies, the photos I attached have names identifying the genuine and fake marks which become more obvious if one saves them. I'm afraid that is a fake stamp. it's identical to all the ones on brass sliders seen so far. Graham
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So the badge is also fake? I don't collect British badges so I don't know.
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It's likely the badge is original, as making anodised badges is more specialised. In this instance it appears the fake stamp has been applied to the original unmarked slider on a genuine badge.
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Collectors will pay more for an uncommon maker's stamp to a particular Corps or Regiment. The individual(s) behind the M&B caper probably bought badges by the pound, stamped them, and sold them at fairs for a higher price. An unusual stamp can turn a £4 badge into a £12 one. Elite units, will go for even more.
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In my belief ALL brass Marples & Beasley marked sliders are fakes as I’m yet to see any evidence they ever made metal ORs badges.
Re Anodised Aluminium badges and their marks I do not collect them so will leave it to those in this field to comment on what is good v’s bad. Quote:
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To my knowledge, and I’m happy to be corrected by AA collectors, but unmarked sliders are quite unusual. This seems an unlikely scenario that you are suggesting, that someone has obtained a scarce unmarked slidered genuine brigade badge and then latterly stamped a fake mark - perfectly centred and parallel - onto the slider, whilst the badge is attached without damaging the finish to the slider or the badge itself? To make the impression for such crisp lettering a significant amount of pressure will need to have been applied to the MM stamp despite AA being relatively soft. That the badge will need to have been securely held in place whilst this was carried out without damaging it or the finish on the slider is hard to believe. Can I ask how you know this second mark is fake rather than an alternate potentially later mark? |
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The letters are very close together, the ‘&’ is definitely closer to S of MARPLES, the 3 horizontal lines of the 2nd E increase in length, ‘P’ above ‘B’ and ‘M’ above ‘S’ etc. |
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To stamp a slider is not a lot of work compared with faking a whole badge or changing the slider and if it triples the value of the badge... I was mainly referring to the many brass slidered examples here rather than the anodised ones.
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I agree that later A/A badges are marked more often than not, older ones less so. I have a number of Para and other A/A badges that aren't. The main reason I doubt the second mark is an alternate one is that it has appeared on badges for formations that were amalgamated and ceased to exist in the 1960s. The Yorks Bde is a good example. As the first mark was also used in the late sixties I would be surprised if such an overlap existed. The RAOC badges I illustrated each have the different M&B stamps. They are also from completely different dies. This wasn't obvious as I didn't include an image of the front. Leaving aside the two different marks, two completely different badges, from around the same time, would be unusual.
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