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Old 03-09-21, 10:26 PM
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Default Tiffin School, Kingston-upon-Thames

Did they wear their own badge or that of the 6th East Surrey? The reason I ask is I won a 6th East Surrey badge with a C/6/East Surrey title and Ray Westlake mentions their affiliation. It’s possible that it could be for another school in that recruitment area Esher, Rochmond or Chertsey.

Something is nagging me that I’ve seen an oval shaped Tiffin Cadet Corps shoulder title, probably in a Bosleys catalogue.

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Old 04-09-21, 09:59 AM
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I have nor seen a Tiffin school cadet corps cap badge. Lots of photos of cadet units pre-WW1 show caps being worn without badges in them so you can have a cadet corps without a cap badge being made for it.

The existence of 2 different s/ts is not unusual as often cadet corps were raised by the schools and later on were affiliated to a local regiment so could have 2 s/t types. Once they were affiliated then they would wear the local regt's badge. In Tiffin's case this was 1915 according to Westlake and he records the s/t that you mention. They are in the 1916 Army List as a result. Page 1195 https://deriv.nls.uk/dcn23/1232/4822/123248228.23.pdf

In Tiffin's case the local regt in Kingston was the 6th Bn so that ties in nicely. Was this the bespoke 6th cross badge or the bb East Surrey Regt badge?

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Something is nagging me that Iíve seen an oval shaped Tiffin Cadet Corps shoulder title, probably in a Bosleys catalogue.
Found one that was in a lot sold by Mullock's in 2013.

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Thanks Mike, thatís the one.

Alan, it was the Maltese Cross badge.
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This is it. I tickled it for the TF badge not realising it was worn by cadets.
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They are in the 1916 Army List as a result. Page 1195 https://deriv.nls.uk/dcn23/1232/4822/123248228.23.pdf
When searching they are in column 1195 , page 673

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Cadet Units affiliated.
Richmond County School Cadet Corps.
Richmond Hill Cadets.
3rd Cadet Co., 6Bn.E.Surr.R.
Tiffin School (Kingston-on-Thames) Cadet Corps.
Kingston Grammar School Cadet Corps.

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This is it. I tickled it for the TF badge not realising it was worn by cadets.
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The WW1 era badge would tie in exactly with the s/t 1916-19. Cadets often wore obsolete badges so they may well have worn it later than the TF Battalion.
The Cadet Corps may well have been disbanded by the 1930 cut to funding or even before that. The next iteration of cadets was when an ATC was raised in 1941 at the school.

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Old 04-09-21, 11:35 AM
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Quite a big Cadet Corps I’d have thought with four schools and a company. What’s a school’s rough number of cadets, 50, 100 ?
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They varied according to the size of the school. Some of the photos I have seen have barely 20 cadets in them. If you go to my OTC album the OTC strengths are listed for 1911.

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The next iteration of cadets was when an ATC was raised in 1941 at the school.
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The Air Training Corps was formed on 5.2.1941. Prior to this it was Air Defence Cadet Corps set up in 1938.
On Air Force List July 1939

https://digital.nls.uk/british-milit...chive/95998534

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The ADCC Gazette has them listed as well in 1939.

http://34fsquadron.co.uk/wp-content/...18/12/No-4.pdf

I still can't find any mention of the CC after WW1 to put an end date to that.
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I still can't find any mention of the CC after WW1 to put an end date to that.
Still listed in February 1919:

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Cadet Units affiliated.
Richmond County School Cadet Corps.
Richmond Hill Cadets.
St.George's College Cadets.
Tiffin School (Kingston-on-Thames) Cadet Corps.
Kingston Grammar School Cadet Corps.
Highfield School Cadet Corps.
https://digital.nls.uk/british-milit...hive/115603655



But by March 1919:

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Cadet Units affiliated.
Highfield School Cadet Corps.
1 C.B. E.Surr.R.
https://digital.nls.uk/british-milit...hive/106141832

NB. The two units above are also the only ones listed in December 1919.



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St George's in Weybridge Surrey also raised a short lived cadet corps in 1915.

https://stgeorgesweybridge.com/who-are-we/world-war-one

The photos are unclear but the cap badges are not the 6th BN so appear to be the usual bi-metal badge worn by the other TF bns..

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St George's in Weybridge Surrey also raised a short lived cadet corps in 1919.
Although the article states :

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Despite the hesitation and debate around the forming of the Corps, by March 1915 agreements had been reached with the Surrey Territorial Association and by mid April the first parade had taken place and official recognition from the War Office was received.
They do not appear on the Army List until August 1916.

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Old 04-09-21, 03:53 PM
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My typo. They were in existence 1915-19. I corrected the post.

One imagines the TF association supported them at first but it took until 1916 for the formal WD recognition and subsequent Army List entry. There were quite a few cadet units with the old pre 1908 VBs so it was not a new concept for the TF associations.
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