Unknown Rifles ACF

[Mike H]

i saw this recently on nearly everyones favourite auction site. Not come across it before. Does anybody have any ideas as to whom it belongs ?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/386580152650

[Alan O]

Bearing in mind the odd choice of colours for a rifles unit it may well be something made up for collectors.

[Mike H]

i did think that that was a strong possibility.
I had 2 thoughts on possibilities,the Queens Royal Rifles or Queen Victoria`s Rifles. But im sure either of those two qould have used the standard cloth title for the regiment at that time.

[Mike H]

Originally Posted by Alan O

Bearing in mind the odd choice of colours for a rifles unit it may well be something made up for collectors.

It could be a Canadian Queens Own Rifles chopped to Rifles then the ACF added below

[Ian B]

Good day Mike,

Shoulder title in link in OP is unlikely an Canadian QOR title cut down. QOR title was only one line curved up, reading "Queen's Own Riles", about 17-20mm in width; therefore not enough room to have anything added beneath.

Hope this helps, good luck in further research.

Ian

[Mike H]

Originally Posted by Ian B

Good day Mike,

Shoulder title in link in OP is unlikely an Canadian QOR title cut down. QOR title was only one line curved up, reading "Queen's Own Riles", about 17-20mm in width; therefore not enough room to have anything added beneath.

Hope this helps, good luck in further research.

Ian

If you look at the title in the link Ian,it appears to be a Rifles top half and an ACF bottom half. Two separate titles ,not one. Sorry if I sowed confusion.

[crest-insignia]

Originally Posted by Mike H

If you look at the title in the link Ian,it appears to be a Rifles top half and an ACF bottom half. Two separate titles ,not one. Sorry if I sowed confusion.

I know i’m due an optician’s appointment soon, but the title in the link looks very much like it’s on a single piece of fabric, not two separate entities. Especially when looking at the rear of the patch.
T

[oc14]

Originally Posted by crest-insignia

I know i’m due an optician’s appointment soon, but the title in the link looks very much like it’s on a single piece of fabric, not two separate entities. Especially when looking at the rear of the patch.
T

Looks like a one piece badge to me too. Oddly enough by the time The Rifles were formed, the ACF were no longer wearing brassards so there would be no need for this pattern of badge, the badge is in the wrong colours for Rifles and is, in my opinion, totally spurious

Paul

[grey_green_acorn]

I suspect it might have been intended for the Buckinghamshire (The Rifles) Army Cadet Force who trace historic affiliations through the Buckinghamshire Battalion and/or the King’ Royal Rifle Corps and Royal Green Jackets successors hence the red on rifle green colours?

Tim

[Mike H]

Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn

I suspect it might have been intended for the Buckinghamshire (The Rifles) Army Cadet Force who trace historic affiliations through the Buckinghamshire Battalion and/or the King’ Royal Rifle Corps and Royal Green Jackets successors hence the red on rifle green colours?

Tim

I have a Green Jackets ACF title Tim,it's 2 separate titles .

[adb63]

I had this brassard a while ago. So presumably worn by units in the greater london south west sector who were badged Rifles. regards, Andrew.

[Mike H]

That's a great help Andrew,it seems likely its a genuine item then.

[grey_green_acorn]

So a one piece title intended, as I meant in my suggestion, for a RIFLES affiliated ACF detachment but in London and not Buckinghamshire.

Tim

[Mike H]

Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn

So a one piece title intended, as I meant in my suggestion, for a RIFLES affiliated ACF detachment but in London and not Buckinghamshire.

Tim

Not one of the detachments that was 1st Cadet Btn KRRC,they were all in a different sector.
I presume it would have to be one that was either QVR or QWR originally.
As a footnote,the sector badge can be found in all black on green.