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Old 18-08-19, 11:57 AM
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Default A little bird !

Can someone help me with this one please ? Could it be RND ?
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Old 18-08-19, 12:08 PM
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Can someone help me with this one please ? Could it be RND ?
What do you mean by RND?

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Old 18-08-19, 12:19 PM
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I doubt it would be Royal Naval Division, although I can see where you are coming from.
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Old 18-08-19, 12:21 PM
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Starting point ?

"The coronet of an earl shows five "pearls" raised on tall spikes, alternating with four strawberry leaves."
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Old 18-08-19, 12:22 PM
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Sorry Dave, Royal Naval Division, RND. Its only a guess as the hood battalion has a bird something similar to this one.
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Old 18-08-19, 12:44 PM
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Are you thinking of Viscount Hood who gave his name to the Hood battalion?
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Old 18-08-19, 02:03 PM
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R N D ???I think some members have never sat down with a standard badge ref book and looked at the various sections
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Old 18-08-19, 02:59 PM
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R N D ???I think some members have never sat down with a standard badge ref book and looked at the various sections
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Indeed, and it is almost certainly a livery badge but I can see the original poster's line of reasoning. Please see Baronet Hood's button.

https://sites.google.com/site/livery...-raven-or-rook
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Old 18-08-19, 03:16 PM
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Indeed, and it is almost certainly a livery badge but I can see the original poster's line of reasoning. Please see Baronet Hood's button.

https://sites.google.com/site/livery...-raven-or-rook
Not the same bird, IMHO - the stance of the what is meant to be a Cornish Chough in Viscount Hood's livery, judging by the example, is quite different from what appears here. It appears to be 'overt', which is the avian version of 'statant' [standing]. An example of the Hood Battalion cap badge is attached.

I can't find a term for the head up pose though 'vigilant' is applied to birds too.
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Old 18-08-19, 03:39 PM
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Not the same bird, IMHO - the stance of the what is meant to be a Cornish Chough in Viscount Hood's livery, judging by the example, is quite different from what appears here. It appears to be 'overt', which is the avian version of 'statant' [standing]. An example of the Hood Battalion cap badge is attached.

I can't find a term for the head up pose though 'vigilant' is applied to birds too.
Peter,

I am not saying that it is the same bird. I am suggesting that if someone, with a limited knowledge of heraldry and livery badges, found the badge in the first post, I can see why they might make a (spurious) connection with the Hood Battalion.

I am also worried that we might be deterring new members from asking questions if we don't let them 'think out loud' when they post.

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Old 18-08-19, 05:19 PM
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I concur wholeheartedly with Simons statement!
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Old 18-08-19, 05:21 PM
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I agree 100% my comments were regarding the 2nd post - 1287 posts Simon misunderstood my post
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Its a livery badge for a British Earl.. its a falcon on a "torse" (the Earls Crest) on the Earls coronet.
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Old 18-08-19, 06:48 PM
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Having spent an hour going through my 1857 copy of Burke's Peerage, the closest match that I can find is Thomas Knox, Earl of Ranfurly, whose crest is described thus: A Falcon perched, ppr. See the Knox button. https://sites.google.com/site/livery...ied/home/birds

There may of course have been other Earldoms created since 1857 that would fit the bill.

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Old 18-08-19, 08:43 PM
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This is the right collar badge of the New Zealand 8th (South Canterbury) Mounted Rifles. Formed 17 March 1911 served during WW1 as part of the Canterbury Mounted Rifle Regiment. Refer https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/phot...rbury-squadron

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