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Old 17-05-17, 02:27 PM
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Sorry what's a stumpie?
One of the small size RIR cap badges. The QVC being more commonly seen.
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Old 17-05-17, 03:08 PM
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Thanks. So designed to be worn on the FSC.

Whilst there are lots of pictures of the FSC in use in the second half of WW2, as they were worn by WOs and above they used the officers boss pattern badges as far as I can see.

Whilst the CSgts and below do not seem to have worn FSC, it would make sense that this was the badge that they would have worn on it.

The formal adoption of the Caubeen in 1948 (replacing the regtly tailored GS caps) seems to have removed FSC from use but it's possible that they remained a dress item that, as you say, was not worn by the regt.

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Old 05-06-17, 09:18 AM
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A variation of the die stamped one shown earlier. Professionally die cast with a silvered front. A real oddity.
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Old 01-02-20, 05:15 PM
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Found it in Bosleys latest auction lot 422.

Royal Ulster Rifles Warrant Officer’s cap badge in lugs,

Mine is on a sldier but apart from that it's the same plated design.
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Old 01-02-20, 05:47 PM
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I think they’re very different badges.

Your badge above is copied from the OSD collar like this Gaunt one I got from JON188 a couple years ago. Hopefully he doesn’t mind me using his pics as I’ve not got the badge to hand at the moment.

The silver plate one Bosley’s sold was identical to one sold on Deadspartan about 6 months ago. It may even be the same badge. Recall it was priced reasonably for what it is (around £80 I think) and it sold very, very quickly as might be expected. Sadly the Deadspartan listing has since been disappeared and regrettably I didn’t save the pictures.

Can’t recall if I’ve posted this before but I got my WM RUR badge with a clipped slider from Robbie a few years ago. I’m delighted with it and in no doubt it’s genuine. I briefly owned another but returned it shortly after arrival and discovering it had an undoubted Morrison restrike slider.

Does anyone know what the Bosley’s badge sold for?
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Old 01-02-20, 06:03 PM
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Yes it's not identical as it has a sldier but it does show the design was worn in the beret. Whether it was just WOs or all SNCOs I am not sure. The other ranks certainly wore the issued full sized RUR badge.

Bosleys lot went for £70 plus commission.
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Old 01-02-20, 09:49 PM
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I don’t profess any specialist knowledge in RIR or RUR so hopefully John Mulcahy, Bobby Rainey or Jonathan (red rags) see this and chime in.

My view would be it’s a significantly different design OSD collar v’s FSC cap badge. Bobby’s belief was the ‘stumpie’ i.e. FSC badge was worn post war in WM on the beret but despite having an extensive photographic collection has no images of it in wear.

To my knowledge there’s no mention of the OSD style collar badge being worn by NCOs or ORs in WM on the beret during this period. Happy to be corrected on that however.

As to the badge itself I’m afraid I’m not a fan. It just doesn’t strike me as NCO quality, being only silvered on the front and a base metal colour on the back seems wrong. The casting itself looks too thick and the slider too modern for what I’d expect. Add this to the above and my gut feeling is it falls into the spurious category I’m afraid.

The badge(s) sold by DS and Bosley’s as NCO badges were of the basic FSC design, on loops and of very good quality indeed - like you’d expect from Firmin. Quite a marked difference from the badge above.

Thanks for the info. Not as much as I’d have guessed. Maybe there is a badge recession after all!
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Old 02-02-20, 10:56 AM
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Yes it's not identical as it has a sldier but it does show the design was worn in the beret. Whether it was just WOs or all SNCOs I am not sure. The other ranks certainly wore the issued full sized RUR badge.

Bosleys lot went for £70 plus commission.
Alan,

the badge you show is the "traditional" OSD design and as Luke mentions is a different design to the main subject of this thread. I have seen at least one photo of the left OSD collar badge worn in the caubeen, the image below is taken from https://www.royal-irish.com/persons/...e-mc-brigadier. I can't be certain of the finish but it does not appear bronzed to me from this image.

There is a second image in the book "A New Battlefield: The Royal Ulster Rifles in Korea, 1950-51" , 2013 by David Orr , David Truesdale. My copy is in storage and I can't remember if it is a different photo/officer or not.

Regarding the other badge, I bought the example on "Dead Spartan" last year. It is a cast, heavy, silvered badge with loops north and south and is shown below. it is 40mm x 30mm approx.I do have it with me and took some hasty images below (first and second from the right).

David Linaker had one in his collection which he catalogued as "Regimental Badge: As for official white metal cap badge with Tudor Crown but only 42mm height, like the 1st and 2nd Patterns. Possibly worn in India post 1913 in the Field Cap. See similar badges for the Rifle Brigade". David's was in WM with a slider and was 42 x 30mm approx. I have an image of the front but not the back. His badge is second from the left below,

I have not made any time to study it yet. I am relatively certain at this time that it was not used in the FSC or Caubeen post 1939. I have many photo references and it does not appear. I suspect that if it is bone fide it is a post 1900 and pre second world item. That's all I can add for now.

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Old 02-02-20, 11:10 AM
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Thanks John.

Clearly my memory failed me with the DS badge it’s quite different from the Bosley’s one. Glad it went to a good home.

Am I correct in supposing the chap sat far left wearing the officer’s collar is an officer? Think I can just about see a pip and leather gloves.

Going by the dark tones around the harp strings I would say he is wearing the silvered voided badge like this one. Believe I’ve also seen it in WM too.
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